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mikesears Wed Jul 30, 2003 06:19pm

I always hate taking this test but its good to have such a knowledgable group of officials.

Q99 on the test is this: A clock stopped during a period for an official's time-out will start with the ready-for-play signal unless a free kick follows.


I'm thinking False. Official's timeouts cover change of possessions as well. Clock won't start under those situations until the ball is snapped. Anyone recall what last year's answer was?

Thanks!

Ed Hickland Wed Jul 30, 2003 07:41pm

False. A play on words. Rule 3-2 reads...The clock shall start with the ready-for-play signal for other than a free kick if the clock was stopped...

The tests are weak in as much as they test your knowledge of English more than football.

PSU213 Wed Jul 30, 2003 08:40pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Ed Hickland
The tests are weak in as much as they test your knowledge of English more than football.
Just out of curiosity, what do you (directed to everyone) think the NF tests should be?

Rather than the T/F tests that are more about tricks than knowlege, I think they should go to some sort of multiple choice format involving real play senarios. I don't know if this is logistically possible or practical, but I think it would be a more accurate test of rules knowledge.

Schultj Wed Jul 30, 2003 10:08pm

The answer must be false because the clock on an official's TO after an incomplete pass will start on the snap, not on the ready. It is a play on words.

Ed Hickland Wed Jul 30, 2003 10:19pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Schultj
The answer must be false because the clock on an official's TO after an incomplete pass will start on the snap, not on the ready. It is a play on words.
The period following an incomplete pass is not an official's timeout.

Official's timeouts are:

a. For measurement of a possible first down.
b. When a first down is declared.
c. Following a change of team possession.
d. When captains and coaches are notified of the time remaining.
e. For a player who appears to be injured.
f. For a player in need of equipment repair.
g. To dry or change the game ball.
h. For unusual heat or humidity which may create a health risk to the players.
i. When a coach-referee conference concerning the misapplication of a rule results in the referee altering his ruling. (See 3-5-11)

j. After a foul, to administer the penalty.
k. For any unusual delay in getting the ball ready for play.
l. For a TV/radio time-out that is permitted and granted as authorized by state association policy.
m. For a one-minute intermission between the first and second and the third and fourth periods and following a try, successful field goal or safety and prior to the succeeding free kick.

cowbyfan1 Thu Jul 31, 2003 06:06am

the test should go to maybe a multiple choice with some T/F mixed in. They are full of tricks which is nuts.. For example question 17, "A block in the back is defined as a block with contact inside the shoulders, below the helmet and above the waist." The definition is missing one key element, that the block is in the back. This definition would be false if it is from the front. Now the answer last year was true, I am expecting it to be false this year.

Schultj Thu Jul 31, 2003 07:57am

Example of what I meant: If there is an injury after an incompleted pass, then, when the officials TO is over, the clock will start on the snap. It would obviously not start on the ready.

jfurdell Thu Jul 31, 2003 10:39am

NFHS should definitely go to multiple choice tests. The linguistic acrobatics they do to get these true-false questions is ridiculous, and the questions wind up being vague or self-contradictory, and not a true test of rules knowledge.

A multiple choice test wouldn't be any harder to administer.

zebraman10 Sun Aug 10, 2003 09:51pm

I agree wholehearteldy that the answer should be false, but when my crew took our exam online, we discovered the answer they wanted was true. Another well written question. NOT!

BktBallRef Sun Aug 10, 2003 09:56pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Schultj
Example of what I meant: If there is an injury after an incompleted pass, then, when the officials TO is over, the clock will start on the snap. It would obviously not start on the ready.
Read the question again, Schultj. The question says "A clock stopped during a period for an official's time-out..." If the previous play had resulted in an incomplete pass, the official's TO would not have stopped the clock. It would already have been stopped. Your situation is different than the question.

But the change of possession issue does make the statement false IMHO.

SWFLguy Tue Aug 12, 2003 02:56pm

As a retired educator of 32 years, I believe
that a multiple choice test has a higher "reliability"
than True/False testing. All standardized tests
from IQ tests to the NY State Regent's Exams are
mutltiple choice. I could never understand the
reliance on T/F testing by sports officiating
organizations.

Bob M. Tue Aug 12, 2003 05:49pm

I agree that the NF tests are horribly designed. While I believe that some of the questions are designed to trick you, others ae just poorly written.

ABoselli Tue Aug 12, 2003 06:51pm

They should have a combination of multiple choice, true/false and then some fill in the blank. (e.g. "The penalty for an illegal forward pass is enforced from _________")

Combine it with some 5 man mechanics questions.

Question - How do you guys work it for giving the Part II exam? We have had "open book", closed book with discussion, open book with discussion, take it home, no name on the answer sheet etc etc. My personal feeling is close the book, put your name on the answer sheet, and let'er rip.

You're only kidding yourself if you don't know the stinkin rules.

Theisey Tue Aug 12, 2003 07:47pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ABoselli
They should have a combination of multiple choice, true/false and then some fill in the blank. (e.g. "The penalty for an illegal forward pass is enforced from _________")
### I'd rather see a play statment with an answer that requires one to provide Team/Down/Distance/Yardline/Clock. Those type of questions make you read the book!

Quote:

Combine it with some 5 man mechanics questions.
### Not fair.... 99% of our games are 4 man mechanics.

Quote:

Question - How do you guys work it for giving the Part II exam? We have had "open book", closed book with discussion, open book with discussion, take it home, no name on the answer sheet etc etc. My personal feeling is close the book, put your name on the answer sheet, and let'er rip.

You're only kidding yourself if you don't know the stinkin rules.
###closed book, but it wasn't always done that way.

BktBallRef Tue Aug 12, 2003 08:28pm

NC - Closed book, no discussion, 1 hour time limit.

Bob M. Fri Aug 15, 2003 03:31pm

In NJ...
 
In NJ, Part 1 is taken open book. Encouraged to take with your crew. Part 2 is not administered in NJ.

Also, back to the original post re: Q#99...I just got my test back. I answered "FALSE" and it's been marked INCORRECT !!! That means that the FED answer key says the answer's TRUE ?!?!?!

Isn't it an official's TO when the clock is stopped on a change of possession? (See NF 3-5-7c) And don't we subsequently start the clock on the snap? Whoever came up with this answer needs a beating.

SWFLguy Fri Aug 15, 2003 08:05pm

here's the deal-- skinny-- or whatever-----
and especially tell the rookies out there:
READ the "NOTE" stuff on the first page that
refers to "exam situations"--
the last sentence happens to read:
There is no foul or change of possession,
unless it is mentioned, and penalties are
considered accepted for enforcement.
So---#99 is true as written !
You do no read any extra information
into the question.
Good luck on the test that "counts" !!
btw---
here in SW FL-- we go over the Federation Part 1
together in training sessions, and everyone takes
a FL State produced test for rankings. Allegedly
the FL test will include some "situation questions"
--- we will see on 8/25 when we take the test !

mikesears Sat Aug 16, 2003 09:37am

Quote:

Originally posted by SWFLguy
here's the deal-- skinny-- or whatever-----
and especially tell the rookies out there:
READ the "NOTE" stuff on the first page that
refers to "exam situations"--
the last sentence happens to read:
There is no foul or change of possession,
unless it is mentioned, and penalties are
considered accepted for enforcement.
So---#99 is true as written !
You do no read any extra information
into the question.
Good luck on the test that "counts" !!
btw---
here in SW FL-- we go over the Federation Part 1
together in training sessions, and everyone takes
a FL State produced test for rankings. Allegedly
the FL test will include some "situation questions"
--- we will see on 8/25 when we take the test !

So after each question, we must tell ourselves (or remind ourselves) there was no change of possession, etc.




Makes sense if there is no change of possession. I've often thought about submitting my reasoning behind my answeres WITH my answer sheet. :)





BktBallRef Sat Aug 16, 2003 10:05am

Quote:

Originally posted by SWFLguy
here's the deal-- skinny-- or whatever-----
and especially tell the rookies out there:
READ the "NOTE" stuff on the first page that
refers to "exam situations"--
the last sentence happens to read:
There is no foul or change of possession,
unless it is mentioned, and penalties are
considered accepted for enforcement.

Kinda like telling the officials before a game that #76 will be an eligible receiver on FGA and PAT. :(

SWFLguy Sat Aug 16, 2003 12:54pm

I don't write these test items--
as a retired educator I've said before
that True/False tests have low
reliability----
but since we're stuck with them
you'll need to always consider those
instructions on page one !
btw---
how can #76 ever be an eligible receiver ???
isn't he ineligible by number ??
(unless of course he puts on a jersey
with numbers 1-49 or 80-99 !!)

BktBallRef Sat Aug 16, 2003 10:14pm

Quote:

Originally posted by SWFLguy
btw---
how can #76 ever be an eligible receiver ???
isn't he ineligible by number ??
(unless of course he puts on a jersey
with numbers 1-49 or 80-99 !!)

Giants-49ers - 2002 Playoff game.

chayos Tue Aug 19, 2003 08:24pm

The answer to this question is TRUE

Warrenkicker Tue Aug 19, 2003 08:56pm

Well I thought that I had a scenario to challenge this question but it all comes down to this question. Where are we told that a dead ball foul stops the clock? I am not coming accross that actual words anywhere.

BktBallRef Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:35pm

Quote:

Originally posted by chayos
The answer to this question is TRUE
The Answer Key answer is True but I think we've proven here that the correct answer is False. Just like the Answer Key is incorrect on #63.

mikesears Wed Aug 20, 2003 07:56am

Quote:

Originally posted by Warrenkicker
Well I thought that I had a scenario to challenge this question but it all comes down to this question. Where are we told that a dead ball foul stops the clock? I am not coming accross that actual words anywhere.
We are told that the clock stops after any foul.

SWFLguy Thu Aug 21, 2003 09:56am

re: ineligible receiver by number
to: BB Ref
I was thinking Federation (high school)
rules--- not NFL.
Guys like me who work only
high school games should't watch too
much Sunday or MNF !

Schultj Thu Aug 21, 2003 10:14am

I'm not convinced that you have "proven" #99 is false, but that #99 is a poor question. To much is left to assume, and what you assume dictates your answer. Bad question.

Warrenkicker Thu Aug 21, 2003 10:34am

Quote:

Originally posted by SWFLguy
here's the deal-- skinny-- or whatever-----
and especially tell the rookies out there:
READ the "NOTE" stuff on the first page that
refers to "exam situations"--
the last sentence happens to read:
There is no foul or change of possession,
unless it is mentioned, and penalties are
considered accepted for enforcement.
So---#99 is true as written !
You do no read any extra information
into the question.

This is why the question is True.


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