How Long?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Butt Blocking deals with the front of the helmet. Doesn't say anything about the crown. How many of you have ever flagged a running back when they lower their head to take on the hit, and hit the tackler with the crown of their helmet? I have never done it.

My crew has done this in each of the last 3 seasons. We flagged one all-state player twice for it and his coach almost picked one up as well arguing it.

Not all helmet-to-helmet contact is a foul, though.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Rich

My crew has done this in each of the last 3 seasons. We flagged one all-state player twice for it and his coach almost picked one up as well arguing it.

Not all helmet-to-helmet contact is a foul, though.

I understand that some helmet to helmet to contact is going to happen. What about the stiff arm from a RB that grabs the facemask and pushes head back. Ever called that? I did. Called a face mask. RB just grabbed the facemask and pushed players head back as far as it would go.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by OKREF

What about the stiff arm from a RB that grabs the facemask and pushes head back. Ever called that? I did. Called a face mask. RB just grabbed the facemask and pushed players head back as far as it would go.

It's not a foul for the runner to push the facemask of an opponent, it is a foul to grab the facemask. I have called the latter before (though it was the Personal Foul variety, not the 5 yard variety).

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I understand that some helmet to helmet to contact is going to happen. What about the stiff arm from a RB that grabs the facemask and pushes head back. Ever called that? I did. Called a face mask. RB just grabbed the facemask and pushed players head back as far as it would go.

Originally Posted by Welpe

It's not a foul for the runner to push the facemask of an opponent, it is a foul to grab the facemask. I have called the latter before (though it was the Personal Foul variety, not the 5 yard variety).

Please read whole statement. I called the 15 yarder.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Please read whole statement.

I did. I did not say you made a bad call.

[HLin NC]

Already is... see definition of spearing in 2-20-1(c). Also Case book play 9.4.3d

Just never called, even though Illegal Helmet contact is, has been, and probably will be for the forseeable future, a point of emphasis. I imagine the Fed just needs to add the act by a running back in their POE examples.

[bcl1127]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

Already is... see definition of spearing in 2-20-1(c). Also Case book play 9.4.3d

Just never called, even though Illegal Helmet contact is, has been, and probably will be for the forseeable future, a point of emphasis. I imagine the Fed just needs to add the act by a running back in their POE examples.

I was just about to post this. I can imagine the POE being added. It is something that is always stressed during our rules meetings each year, a runner can be guilty of spearing.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

Already is... see definition of spearing in 2-20-1(c). Also Case book play 9.4.3d

Just never called, even though Illegal Helmet contact is, has been, and probably will be for the forseeable future, a point of emphasis. I imagine the Fed just needs to add the act by a running back in their POE examples.

I had someone point out spearing by an offensive player (especially the running back) was a POE in 2011. I don't remember that so I'm sure we overlooked it. With all the emphasis now I think it would get more attention this year. I hope they include it so the coaches get the message and we start to enforce it.