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MADFAN#1 Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:52am

4th down fumble advance (Madison vs OC Alamodome 8 Dec 2012)
 
Here is the set up:

4th and 1 center hikes the ball but qb never gains possession of the ball. Ball squirts backwards and is picked up by running back who runs for an apparent TD.

Should the TD count?

MD Longhorn Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MADFAN#1 (Post 866218)
Here is the set up:

4th and 1 center hikes the ball but qb never gains possession of the ball. Ball squirts backwards and is picked up by running back who runs for an apparent TD.

Should the TD count?

You don't have all the necessary information here... but based solely on what you posted, yes. The snap is a backward pass, not a fumble.

MADFAN#1 Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 866219)
You don't have all the necessary information here... but based solely on what you posted, yes. The snap is a backward pass, not a fumble.

What other information would you like?

MD Longhorn Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:58am

Trying to find the details that probably matter - what class is Madison and who is OC? Do you have a newspaper article you can link?

MADFAN#1 Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 866222)
Trying to find the details that probably matter - what class is Madison and who is OC? Do you have a newspaper article you can link?

Both teams are class 5A (Texas)
O'Connor = OC

Can't find a newspaper link.

JasonTX Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:05pm

This is a TD. The muffed snap is not a fumble, but simply a backwards pass. All players may recover and advance a backwards pass.

MADFAN#1 Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonTX (Post 866224)
This is a TD. The muffed snap is not a fumble, but simply a backwards pass. All players may recover and advance a backwards pass.

Thanks for the input

MD Longhorn Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:22pm

Was hoping to find video - the description made it sound like it may have been a planned play - a la fumblerooski.

HLin NC Tue Dec 11, 2012 02:38pm

Quote:

Should the TD count?
Why shouldn't it?

MD Longhorn Tue Dec 11, 2012 02:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by HLin NC (Post 866282)
Why shouldn't it?

He was assuming the snap was a fumble (he even used that term)... if it WAS a fumble, it couldn't be advanced by anyone other than the fumbler. Which would mean no score.

He was unaware, however, that the backward pass from the snapper is not considered a fumble wrt this rule.


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