Are we ever equally at fault for an ejection?

[zm1283]

This is not directed at football officials as it applies to all sports. The fact is that a lot of officials, especially at the high school level and below, do not handle situations well. They either take too much crap and get rolled over and make the next guy clean up their mess, or they can't communicate or know when to ignore statements so they look like hotheads and inflame situations that shouldn't be inflamed.

[ajmc]

Exactly when did it become the responsibility of people in authority to simply put up with as much "stuff" as any jerk decides needs to be handed out? Not just officials, applies to teachers, policemen, virtually anyone who is expected to control a situation.

Police can be spit on, called the most vile names, insulted and just about any response needs to deal with some level of an accusation of brutality or over reacting. I don't comment or express an opinion on how well I think a player performs his duties, and I'm really not interested in a player's opinion of something he knows precious little about.

I understand this is an emotional game, which involves serious physical contact, and am usually willing to ignore emotional, reactive remarks and let the first one pass. I might even try a little humor, empathy or explanation to help difuse a situation, but continued discussion, or ongoing comments are not acceptable.

[MD Longhorn]

Amen.

One day, in my imaginary future, all sports officials will lose their cool and blow up at a coach every time he forgets to send a runner in an obvious steal situation, or pinch hit with the wrong player... and then blow up at every batter who strikes out and every pitcher who fails to strike someone out.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

This is not directed at football officials as it applies to all sports. The fact is that a lot of officials, especially at the high school level and below, do not handle situations well. They either take too much crap and get rolled over and make the next guy clean up their mess, or they can't communicate or know when to ignore statements so they look like hotheads and inflame situations that shouldn't be inflamed.

That might be true if this was an upstanding player that never has reacted inappropriately. This is a guy that has a history of situations. Of course we as officials can pour gas on the fire, but we also have a lot of players and coaches that think they can say anything to us and we are just to walk away. And in this situation the official was standing there (likely getting a spot) and the player not likely realizing that this official was not the person looking at the situation Hall was upset about (which is a problem when they have no idea who is the person to yell at) and then takes his helmet off.

And it is in the culture of football for there to be more interaction with players which includes sometimes saucy language the higher you go up. Hall is just a knucklehead and he is looking for anyone to blame by his sorry behind.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That might be true if this was an upstanding player that never has reacted inappropriately. This is a guy that has a history of situations. Of course we as officials can pour gas on the fire, but we also have a lot of players and coaches that think they can say anything to us and we are just to walk away. And in this situation the official was standing there (likely getting a spot) and the player not likely realizing that this official was not the person looking at the situation Hall was upset about (which is a problem when they have no idea who is the person to yell at) and then takes his helmet off.

And it is in the culture of football for there to be more interaction with players which includes sometimes saucy language the higher you go up. Hall is just a knucklehead and he is looking for anyone to blame by his sorry behind.

Peace

Agree with 90% of that. For the record, there was a timeout, so taking off his helmet was not an issue.

[HLin NC]

No where in that interview does Hall ever tell what exactly the official did or said to him to make it equally his fault. NFL officials, unlike MLB umpires, are pretty renown for keeping their cool.

If all that happened was he got no foul and no answer to his "WTF ref?" question, c'est la guerre.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Agree with 90% of that. For the record, there was a timeout, so taking off his helmet was not an issue.

Don't misunderstand what I am saying. He was running his mouth and took his helmet off to make a point while approaching the official. That is what was wrong, not a rule about taking off your helmet. He did not take the helmet off or get it knocked off and then started getting into the official's face.

Peace

[Sonofanump]

The officials flag did not come out until a “F^@^ Y*)”. Seems very clear that the official was in control and #23 White put this all on himself.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Sonofanump

The officials flag did not come out until a “F^@^ Y*)”. Seems very clear that the official was in control and #23 White put this all on himself.

Maybe just me, but I think that comment from a player would earn an ejection in any sport, at any level, at any time.....

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Andy

Maybe just me, but I think that comment from a player would earn an ejection in any sport, at any level, at any time.....

I think anything but NFL. It takes either 2 of these or something completely over the top (and usually physical) to earn an ejection in the NFL.