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Ref1973 Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:54am

Kci?
 
(NFHS)

Scrimmage kick, R81 signals for a fair catch, the ball bounces off his shoulder pads high into the air, then K23 contacts R81 as he is awaiting the ball to come down so he can complete the catch, is it KCI?

JRutledge Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:57am

Not under NF Rules. Under NCAA rules, yes it is KCI. Just making that point because I would not doubt that someone is getting these rules confused.

Peace

Ref1973 Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:04am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 859434)
Not under NF Rules. Under NCAA rules, yes it is KCI. Just making that point because I would not doubt that someone is getting these rules confused.

Peace

Is there a written interpretation or a case book play that supports no foul under NF rules?

ump33 Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:36am

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Originally Posted by Ref1973 (Post 859438)
Is there a written interpretation or a case book play that supports no foul under NF rules?

6.5.2 SITUATION A: During a scrimmage kick beyond the expanded neutral zone, R1 gives a fair-catch signal. He muffs the kick into the air, where: (a) R1 catches it 5 yards in advance of his muff; or (b) K2 pushes R1 in an attempt to reach the ball; or (c) K3 tackles R1 following the muff, preventing R1 from catching the kick; or (d) R1 is blocked below the waist by K4 and K5 recovers. RULING: In (a), R1 has made a fair catch and the ball will be put in play at the spot where the catch was completed. In (b), the contact on R1 by K2 is legal because K may retain possession following the muff by R1. In (c), it is a holding foul for K3 to tackle R1 following the muff, thus preventing him from reaching the ball. The block by K4 is illegal in (d). The fouls in (c) and (d) are fouls during a looseball play and the penalty, if accepted, will be administered from the previous spot and the down replayed. (2-3-5b; 6-2-4; 9-3-2)

Ref1973 Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:53am

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Originally Posted by ump33 (Post 859443)
6.5.2 SITUATION A: During a scrimmage kick beyond the expanded neutral zone, R1 gives a fair-catch signal. He muffs the kick into the air, where: (a) R1 catches it 5 yards in advance of his muff; or (b) K2 pushes R1 in an attempt to reach the ball; or (c) K3 tackles R1 following the muff, preventing R1 from catching the kick; or (d) R1 is blocked below the waist by K4 and K5 recovers. RULING: In (a), R1 has made a fair catch and the ball will be put in play at the spot where the catch was completed. In (b), the contact on R1 by K2 is legal because K may retain possession following the muff by R1. In (c), it is a holding foul for K3 to tackle R1 following the muff, thus preventing him from reaching the ball. The block by K4 is illegal in (d). The fouls in (c) and (d) are fouls during a looseball play and the penalty, if accepted, will be administered from the previous spot and the down replayed. (2-3-5b; 6-2-4; 9-3-2)

Very good. Thanks.

lilkidneys Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:38pm

6.5.2 casebook is the only official thing I found. but Redding guide discusses in more depth, and states R loses protection when he muffs, regardless of whether he may still have a chance to make a catch.

JRutledge Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:40pm

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Originally Posted by Ref1973 (Post 859438)
Is there a written interpretation or a case book play that supports no foul under NF rules?

That is what the casebook is for. ;)

Peace

Ref1973 Mon Oct 22, 2012 01:27pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 859469)
That is what the casebook is for. ;)

Peace

Yeah I know. Didn't have it with me and was in an active discussion with a couple of fellow officials.

HLin NC Mon Oct 22, 2012 04:55pm

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Didn't have it with me
Join the Fed and you get online access to rule & casebook via The Arbiter.

:)

or download from the Google Play Store for $5.99 on your Android phone.

Ref1973 Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:10am

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Originally Posted by HLin NC (Post 859563)
Join the Fed and you get online access to rule & casebook via The Arbiter.

:)

or download from the Google Play Store for $5.99 on your Android phone.

How bout I just tattoo the thing on my A$$?

:eek:

HLin NC Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:39am

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How bout I just tattoo the thing on my A$$?
Would kinda be hard to read unless you are a giraffe instead of a zebra plus those pesky revisions would have you in the tattoo parlor all the time.

:p


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