Intentional grounding penalty enforcement

[HLin NC]

illegal forward pass considered a loose ball play

Basic spot foul- was a foul by offense behind the previous spot.

Remember 10-3-1, 10-3-3

A loose-ball play is action during:

b. A legal forward pass.



The end of the run is:

b. Where the runner loses possession if his run is followed by a loose ball

IFP beyond the the LOS is enforced from the EOR.

[Welpe]

I don't remember 10-3-1, 10-3-3 hence why I asked. My Fed rule knowledge has gotten quite rusty.

So in other words, it is not a loose ball play. It's a matter of semantics since the enforcement spot is the same but I thought that tidbit of information was tucked somewhere in a crevice of my brain.

[HLin NC]

Correct, it's treated as a run play. That's why I threw in the part about IFP. I.e, QB throws pass 2 yards beyond LOS, he gets the yardage gained on the run but is penalized from the spot, essentially the EOR.

Behind the line, foul will be assessed from there.

I didn't really mean for you to actually remember the rule cite, figure of speech.

[jTheUmp]

Yep, you're right, an illegal pass is not considered to be a loose ball play... my mistake.

Of course, Welpe said, it's a rather unimportant distinction on this play, since the enforcement is the same either way.

[maven]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Of course, Welpe said, it's a rather unimportant distinction on this play, since the enforcement is the same either way.

Well, it's usually unimportant. But A can get a new series on an IFP play! Run more than 5 yards past the LTG, throw an IFP, and even the 5 yard penalty from the end of the run will leave you with a first down.

That wouldn't happen with previous spot enforcement under ABO.