Need a tee?

mtridge · #1 (**permalink**) Thu Sep 13, 2012, 08:49pm

2-24-7 is for a place kick.

maven · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Sep 13, 2012, 08:55pm

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Originally Posted by mtridge

2-24-7 is for a place kick.

True. Please now look at 2-24-5.

HLin NC · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:10pm

Don't see anything that says a tee must be used in either rule. A free kick IS a place kick.

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ART. 3 . . . A free kick is any legal kick which puts the ball in play to start a free-kick down.

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ART. 7 . . . A place kick is a legal kick made while the ball is in a fixed position on the ground or on a kicking tee.

maven · #4 (**permalink**) Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:25pm

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Originally Posted by HLin NC

Don't see anything that says a tee must be used in either rule.

That's correct: the rule does not require a tee. But it does require that the ball be in a "fixed position."

Loose on the ground is not a "fixed position." That's why it's customary, when the ball blows off the tee, to have a holder fix its position on the tee. The kicking team may not simply set the ball on the ground and discard the tee.

HLin NC · #5 (**permalink**) Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:53pm

A stationary ball on the ground is in a fixed position.

A holder can hold it on the ground without a tee.

Go ahead and call it like you want.

maven · #6 (**permalink**) Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:09pm

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Originally Posted by HLin NC

A stationary ball on the ground is in a fixed position.

A holder can hold it on the ground without a tee.

Go ahead and call it like you want.

I agree that a holder can hold it on the ground without a tee. A holder would fix its position.

Lying still is not being fixed: a place kick requires a ball held in place. This is the plain meaning of "fixed" in ordinary English.

And you're welcome to call it as you wish, too.

BktBallRef · #7 (**permalink**) Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:13pm

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Originally Posted by maven

I agree that a holder can hold it on the ground without a tee. A holder would fix its position.

Lying still is not being fixed: a place kick requires a ball held in place. This is the plain meaning of "fixed" in ordinary English.

Totally and completely false.

A tee is no required.

A holder is not required.

The ball lying on the ground is in a fixed position.

MD Longhorn · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Sep 14, 2012, 08:34am

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Originally Posted by maven

Loose on the ground is not a "fixed position."

What do you think "fixed position" means? Loose (but motionless) on the ground is absolutely a fixed position. Fixed means not moving.