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The_Rookie Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:32pm

What a finish wisc and mich state
 
Replay gets it right on last play of game..hail Mary...call no TD on Field but after further review ruled a TD!

Instant Classic!

InsideTheStripe Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:26pm

You sure replay "got it right"? None of the angles I saw met the "beyond all doubt" threshold.

Toadman15241 Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:29pm

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Originally Posted by InsideTheStripe (Post 795387)
You sure replay "got it right"? None of the angles I saw met the "beyond all doubt" threshold.

That is not the correct threshold. And yes, he got it right. It wasn't even that close.

InsideTheStripe Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:31pm

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Originally Posted by Toadman15241 (Post 795389)
That is not the correct threshold. And yes, he got it right. It wasn't even that close.

I know you don't officiate football and have probably never seen the NCAA football rule book, so let me help you with the replay threshold...

12-1-2 The instant replay process operates under the fundamental assumption that the ruling on the field is correct. The replay official may reverse a ruling if and only if the video evidence convinces him beyond all doubt that the ruling was incorrect. Without such indisputable video evidence, the replay official must allow the ruling to stand.

It was close enough that two actual college football officials ruled him short during live action and at least one other actual football official is questioning the overturn of the ruling on the field. Show me a photo or video image that shows the ball breaking the plane of the goal line...

Texas Aggie Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:49am

It met the standard. One of the two officials you speak of came out of the end zone and the other was at least partially blocked out of a view to the ball. Neither had the time to see a clear goal line plane, nor did they have the ability to slow or stop the action. The replay guy did and made the right call.

TXMike Sun Oct 23, 2011 06:34am

1:10 - 1:11 of the video http://www.sportsgrid.com/ncaa-footb...ith-hail-mary/

No way the ball is NOT breaking the plane TD

JugglingReferee Sun Oct 23, 2011 06:47am

Why was B not on the goal line before the ball came down?

Quite obviously a touchdown.

InsideTheStripe Sun Oct 23, 2011 07:44am

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Originally Posted by TXMike (Post 795408)
1:10 - 1:11 of the video Michigan State's Hail Mary Beats Wisconsin (Video) | SportsGrid

No way the ball is NOT breaking the plane TD

The videos I saw last night were not HD. After seeing that, I agree that it was a good reversal.

Forksref Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:46am

After further review (by me) the result is a touchdown. I am not sure of NCAA 7-man mechanics but I wonder why the BJ was not planted at the GL.

jTheUmp Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:26pm

B has responsibility for the end line (until the end line is no longer threatened). F and S have responsibility for the goal line (until the goal line is no longer threatened).

B moved up to the goal line as soon as it was obvious that the end line was no longer an issue. Unfortunately, he didn't make it there until after the ball had been driven back out of the end zone.

Tough call for S because he never actually sees the ball. F probably had the best view despite being on the other side of the field.

Rich Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:27pm

Because he has the end line.

I want to know why the BJ is stepping in front of the FJ who should be planted on the goal line at the other pylon. That FJ should've gotten the TD, IMO.

cje1985 Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:13pm

Got it Right
 
The officials got it right. It was a score, no doubt about it. I even thought it was a TD the very first time they replayed it at full speed.

It's really tough for me to say that because I am a die hard Badgers fan. The game never should have been close enough for that play to matter :(

MD Longhorn Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:36am

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Originally Posted by Toadman15241 (Post 795389)
That is not the correct threshold. And yes, he got it right. It wasn't even that close.

Then why does the rule specifically state that threshold?

(I agree with you, it WAS beyond all doubt - he clearly crossed the goal line and there was a perfect angle in this case).


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