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Wow, that would have to be a pretty lucky bat to end up in the holder's hand. Of course you would have to be there, but it sounds like a completed pass to the holder who is on the ground. End of play.

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Originally Posted by Forksref (Post 792188)

It can't be a completed pass if the player receiving the snap never possessed the ball. Agree that it's HTBT.

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 792139)

He's placing a dead ball if it's a pass from the kicker.

Where does it say the place kick holder ceases to be a place kick holder if he obtains possession by unusual means? If he was so positioned at the snap, and while he's placing the ball there's someone in position ostensibly to kick it, the ball remains live.

Didn't we discuss here a year ago or so a situation in which a place kick is blocked and the holder obtains possession and tees the ball up again while the kicker has reloaded?

issue #1
Well the kicker started forward like he would and was completely caught off guard by the snap in his face. He batted the ball to the holder. After seeing this my flag was late and I threw it for an illegal bat, (backward pass batted forward by the team in possession)

Issue #2
A pass is made by a player in possession right? So its not a pass, the snap was never possessed by anyone so the holder recovered the snap with a knee on the ground as a holder, ball remained live.

Issue #3
The ball became dead when the ball was caught in the end zone. THe defender had gone up to try to bat the pass and came down with a hand full of facemask and brought the ball carrier down with it. It was bang bang, but definately after the pass completion.

End result. It was 4th and goal at the 5. Illegal bat-live ball foul to the 20, dead ball foul to the 10 and Replay 4th down. I will say 10 years ago that play would have blown up on me, but having learned to slow down and talk through the play we nailed it. The only problem we encountered, A's coach had "never heard of illegal batting and he's been coaching for 37 years."

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Originally Posted by Reffing Rev. (Post 791943)

This was a first for me...

A lines up for a field goal. A1 knee on the ground in position to receive the snap and A2 in position to kick. The snapper mistakenly snaps the ball to the kicker who essentially "sets" (volleyball) the ball to the holder who catches the ball with his knee still on the ground and then rises and rolls right and throws a pass to A8 who catches the ball in the end zone and is then tackled by the face mask.

After you wipe the "what just happened" look off your face, sort it out...I'll chime in later with what I did.

CANADIAN RULING:

The volleyball pass is a forward pass. I'd not flag it the offside pass subject to penalty and permit the score and enforce the facemask.

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Originally Posted by Reffing Rev. (Post 792270)

Good job, I'm in my second year and there is no way I would not have gotten that right on the fly in the moment.