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js2397 Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:08am

2 questions about high school football
 
High School Football Questions

Is there a limit on the number of times a team can decline the illegal procedure penalty one the kickoff when the kicking team is intentionally kicking out of bounds?

If a turnover occurs on a two point conversion can the defensive team return the ball for two points?

MNBlue Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:20am

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Originally Posted by js2397 (Post 791852)
High School Football Questions

Is there a limit on the number of times a team can decline the illegal procedure penalty one the kickoff when the kicking team is intentionally kicking out of bounds?

If a turnover occurs on a two point conversion can the defensive team return the ball for two points?

Is there a rule that says that they can't intentionally kick out of bounds?

No - when B gains possession the ball is dead.

jTheUmp Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:32am

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Is there a limit on the number of times a team can decline the illegal procedure penalty one the kickoff when the kicking team is intentionally kicking out of bounds?
I'm not sure what you mean. If a free kick goes out of bounds untouched by R, R has three choices:
1) 5 yard penalty, rekick.
2) put the ball in play 25 yards beyond the previous spot. (normally R's 35 yard line).
3) put the ball in play at the out-of-bounds spot. (declining the penalty)

So you can decline the penalty every time K kicks out of bounds, but you're only going to get the chance to do that once per kick.

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If a turnover occurs on a two point conversion can the defensive team return the ball for two points?
No. The ball is dead on a try once Team B gains possession.

js2397 Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:34am

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Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 791855)
I'm not sure what you mean. If a free kick goes out of bounds untouched by R, R has three choices:
1) 5 yard penalty, rekick.
2) put the ball in play 25 yards beyond the previous spot. (normally R's 35 yard line).
3) put the ball in play at the out-of-bounds spot. (declining the penalty)

So you can decline the penalty every time K kicks out of bounds, but you're only going to get the chance to do that once per kick.

I was told by an official that the receiving team could only make the kicking team rekick twice.

MNBlue Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:44am

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Originally Posted by js2397 (Post 791856)
I was told by an official that the receiving team could only make the kicking team rekick twice.

I have no clue what rule they are using to support that comment.

bigjohn Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:06am

Well, THAT was the rule THAT night! right rut?;)

mbyron Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:43am

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Originally Posted by MNBlue (Post 791859)
I have no clue what rule they are using to support that comment.

I agree that no rule specifically limits rekicks to 2.

9-9 permits officials to invoke the "unfair acts" provision if they judge that a team is making a travesty of the game.

wisref2 Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:04pm

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Originally Posted by js2397 (Post 791856)
I was told by an official that the receiving team could only make the kicking team rekick twice.

That was the old NFL rule covering onside kicks out of bounds. It was never a high school rule.

js2397 Thu Oct 06, 2011 02:10pm

Thanks.

JRutledge Thu Oct 06, 2011 02:17pm

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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 791861)
Well, THAT was the rule THAT night! right rut?;)

Can you ever stop being an azz!!!!

MD Longhorn Thu Oct 06, 2011 02:28pm

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Originally Posted by MNBlue (Post 791853)

No - when B gains possession the ball is dead.

Except in Texas and Massachusetts, of course.

MD Longhorn Thu Oct 06, 2011 02:29pm

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Originally Posted by js2397 (Post 791856)
I was told by an official that the receiving team could only make the kicking team rekick twice.

Was this possibly a discussion about onside kicks going out of bounds?

KWH Thu Oct 06, 2011 03:40pm

Unfair Act??? Surely you can't be serious
 
If an official were to involk the Unfair Act for a repeated Free Kick out of bounds, such official should drive home, write a thank you letter to your commisioner, and retire.

jchamp Thu Oct 06, 2011 05:35pm

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Originally Posted by KWH (Post 791905)
If an official were to involk the Unfair Act for a repeated Free Kick out of bounds, such official should drive home, write a thank you letter to your commisioner, and retire.

Considering the clock doesn't run until the kick is touched in bounds by R, and the kick isn't being touched at all, and it's got to be set up again and re-kicked, and the clock isn't moving AT ALL!
I could see how he might think it's unfair to him! :)

Robert Goodman Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:40pm

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Originally Posted by MNBlue (Post 791859)
I have no clue what rule they are using to support that comment.

Wellllll...there was a rule in the 19th Century that if you kicked off out of bounds, the other team then kicked off...and if each team did that twice in succession, then the original team K would scrimmage.

bigjohn Fri Oct 07, 2011 08:13am

ART. 2 . . . No team shall repeatedly commit fouls which halve the distance to
the goal line

By this rule it would be after 8 kicks OOB.

MD Longhorn Fri Oct 07, 2011 08:18am

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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 792013)
ART. 2 . . . No team shall repeatedly commit fouls which halve the distance to
the goal line

By this rule it would be after 8 kicks OOB.

Glad you're not on the field. That is NOT what this rule is about.

buckrog64 Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:28pm

js: you hear all sorts of stuff from all sorts of people in this 'business.' Last week I had a freshman coach inform me that there was no longer a difference in facemasking penalties between 5 or 15 yards. All were now 15. Another official had told him so. Hmmm, ok.

Forksref Sat Oct 08, 2011 07:33am

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 792014)
Glad you're not on the field. That is NOT what this rule is about.

I think you half the distance if it was butt-blocking.;)

mbyron Sat Oct 08, 2011 07:37am

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Originally Posted by Forksref (Post 792219)
I think you half the distance if it was butt-blocking.;)

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...dup29zd7pfGsFw

BktBallRef Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:17am

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Originally Posted by buckrog64 (Post 792082)
js: you hear all sorts of stuff from all sorts of people in this 'business.' Last week I had a freshman coach inform me that there was no longer a difference in facemasking penalties between 5 or 15 yards. All were now 15. Another official had told him so. Hmmm, ok.

NCAA rule. No incidental. It's either 15 or nothing.

ODJ Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:07pm

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 791898)
Except in Texas and Massachusetts, of course.

Fed experimented with this in Oregon a few years back. Not sure if it still is in effect.

As the R - I'm against it. :)

js2397 Wed Oct 12, 2011 08:58am

Thanks, the issue was another coach I know was kicking the ball out of bounds at the end of the half to keep the other team from returning the kick for a TD. He thought there was a limit on the number of times you could make the kicking team rekick. The officials that night said no and he had to kick in bounds and the return team scored a TD. I asked an official at my game the following week as did he and we got two different answers.

bigjohn Wed Oct 12, 2011 09:57am

I personally don't like the rule against K kicking the ball out of bounds. If you have a kid that can kick the ball OOB inside the 5 yl, he should not be penalized for R not being able to field it first.

Robert Goodman Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:09am

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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 793002)
I personally don't like the rule against K kicking the ball out of bounds. If you have a kid that can kick the ball OOB inside the 5 yl, he should not be penalized for R not being able to field it first.

If the makers of the game at higher levels really want to reduce the amount of bodies flying into each other at high speed on the free kick runbacks, as it seems they've wanted to do recently, they should adopt rugby's rule of having the kick to go out of bounds be legal as long as it touches the ground or a player first. Team R would concentrate more on protecting the sidelines, which would spread them out more, and kicks would be lower and aimed toward sidelines more often, so you'd have less of players taking a long run at each other down the middle with a wedge of blockers.


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