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bigjohn Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:53am
PENALTY: Unsportsmanlike conduct (Arts. 1, 2) – (S27) – (S7-27) – if dead
ball, 15 yards. Also disqualification if flagrant – (S47). In Article 1a, the player
must remove the offending item before he is allowed to participate. The
second unsportsmanlike foul results in disqualification. (See 9-8 PENALTY)


a and b deal with clapping of hands and stomping of feet, not verbage!
B1 (a) claps his hands, (b) stomps his foot,

Welpe Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 789000)
PENALTY: Unsportsmanlike conduct (Arts. 1, 2) – (S27) – (S7-27) – if dead
ball, 15 yards. Also disqualification if flagrant – (S47). In Article 1a, the player
must remove the offending item before he is allowed to participate. The
second unsportsmanlike foul results in disqualification. (See 9-8 PENALTY)


a and b deal with clapping of hands and stomping of feet, not verbage!
B1 (a) claps his hands, (b) stomps his foot,
That's nice but it's not USC here.

MD Longhorn Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:16pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 789000)
PENALTY: Unsportsmanlike conduct (Arts. 1, 2) – (S27) – (S7-27) – if dead
ball, 15 yards. Also disqualification if flagrant – (S47). In Article 1a, the player
must remove the offending item before he is allowed to participate. The
second unsportsmanlike foul results in disqualification. (See 9-8 PENALTY)


a and b deal with clapping of hands and stomping of feet, not verbage!
B1 (a) claps his hands, (b) stomps his foot,
I'm NCAA, and not FED... but the rule you posted requires the removal of the player's hands in Article 1a?

Maybe quote the whole rule, and not just a part that obviously does not apply...

bob jenkins Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:19pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 789000)
PENALTY: Unsportsmanlike conduct (Arts. 1, 2) – (S27) – (S7-27) – if dead
ball, 15 yards. Also disqualification if flagrant – (S47). In Article 1a, the player
must remove the offending item before he is allowed to participate. The
second unsportsmanlike foul results in disqualification. (See 9-8 PENALTY)


a and b deal with clapping of hands and stomping of feet, not verbage!
B1 (a) claps his hands, (b) stomps his foot,
In the case play: The official has JUDGED that the actions rise to the level of "for the purpose of disconcerting or hindering".

In your games, the official has judged that the actions DO NOT rise to that level.

MD Longhorn Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:23pm
Also, to add ... the issue that this penalty deals with is sound designed to draw the offense off. Are you guys playing your football games on hardwood or something? I can't even fathom a player being able to stomp his feet on a football field loud enough that ANYONE can hear it - and certainly not loud enough to mess anyone up. Yet you seem bent out of shape and angry over it. Are they wearing tapshoes or something?

mbyron Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 789007)
In the case play: The official has JUDGED that the actions rise to the level of "for the purpose of disconcerting or hindering".

In your games, the official has judged that the actions DO NOT rise to that level.
Yeah, well according to some people their "judgment" is not in accordance with the rules... :rolleyes:

As for the "warn then flag" approach: I can imagine an extreme case where B's actions could ONLY be interpreted as disconcerting. But that's rarely what we see.

We usually see borderline cases: the point of warning is to let B know that their actions are borderline, and if they persist it might become apparent that their aim is to disconcert. And at that point, they would warrant the flag.

CT1 Thu Sep 22, 2011 02:37pm
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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 788980)
I mean, come on! Anyone ever called this?

d. Indicating objections to a game official’s decision.
I'd say the vast majority of USCs called against coaches are for violation of this very rule.

bisonlj Thu Sep 22, 2011 03:09pm
I wonder if bigjohn goes on police web sites and criticizes them for not giving speeding tickets to guys who drive 56 in a 55 zone.

MD Longhorn Thu Sep 22, 2011 03:49pm
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Originally Posted by bisonlj (Post 789042)
I wonder if bigjohn goes on police web sites and criticizes them for not giving speeding tickets to guys who drive 56 in a 55 zone.
Well ... why wouldn't they? If the speed limit is 55, driving 56 is ILLEGAL. What do you think the word LIMIT means. Shees!

bigjohn Thu Sep 22, 2011 05:50pm
You boys never been to Hanging Rock Ohio I see!


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