under inflated football
 

Can you get a different ball for PAT'S & Field Goals try's when the ball is
under inflated?

First of all you cannot use a special ball for those times anyway. So yes you can replace the ball if the ball for some reason was under inflated.

Peace

Canadian Ruling
 

CANADIAN RULING:

When a ball is under-inflated, it should be removed from the game when detected and a suitable replacement ball used. It doesn't matter when the detection occurs. A good crew will check the ball every so often - often when they're relaying the ball back to the U to re-spot after an incomplete pass.

If the ball is underinflated, it shouldn't be out there to begin with.

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Yes,it should be removed under these circumstances, but the ref's would not
do this,so how do you enforce the 12 1/2 to 13 1/2 psi rule?

What do you mean by "the refs would not do this"?

Generally speaking, if a ball was legal on the play that scored the TD (or the play before a FG attempt), it's legal on the PAT or FG attempt. I can't remember a ball ever suddenly becoming unplayable just before a kick. If my U did not notice the ball losing pressure on the previous play, I'm going to have a hard time believing it's lost all it's pressure on the upcoming play.

How do you know it was under inflated? Did you check it personally? Or did you just tell the officials it was and expect they would take your word for it? Sorry, I smell a rat here.

Like I told you before, this is on the Referee to decide. If they felt the ball was legal, the ball is legal. You cannot bring in another ball just for a PAT or FG because you do not like the ball that was previously used. You should have used a better ball the entire series. The officials were correct to not allow another ball to be brought in without any specific information.

Peace

A few years ago I was working a game in Illinois and the visiting team wanted me to check their "kicking ball." I told the coach that I'd be happy to check in the football, but it would just be one of the legal game balls.

Then the kid handed me the football. No way I was going to allow this thing -- it looked like it was overinflated and run through a sander. The kid was a punter who actually was offered a D1 scholarship and, man, could he punt. With a normal ball -- I never saw him punt "his" ball.

It's up to us whether a ball is over or under inflated. If we checked it in, it's unlikely it's coming out until the next series UNLESS it's wet or if it gets punctured.

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The ball was so deflated the kicker would squeeze the ball on the field in front
of the ref, & you could see the kicker's thumb buried in the ball from the sidelines. You do not need a guage to see that it was definitely under inflated, my question is how can you get another certified ball for this case
(not a special or kicking ball) if the ref refuses to do the right thing.

Just explained to a coach and his assistant this last Friday night that there cannot be a "kicking ball," per se. They asked what the parameters were and when I told them it had to meet inflation specs, ball striping, NFHS stamp, etc....they said that was the very first time they've ever been told that.

Team was down by 34 at half and lost by 41. Pretty sure it wasn't the ball.

You can't (not sure how many ways people can say this to you). If the officials felt the ball was legal before, they are not going to change it unless they feel the ball is under inflated. You could complain, but if they refuse then they refuse. That is what they are there to do, make decisions even when you do not like them. It is that simple, the official's decision is final.

Peace

It's quite obvious that teams these days have plenty of balls, so that shouldn't have been an issue. I would take the next step when evaluating the crew or passing that info along to your CC or state association.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess this crew doesn't have alot of playoff experience, but JRut is right. Unless it's obvious...they won't change it. Did you see if they checked them prior to the game...?

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Thanks, I understand it is a ref's call,we won the game, I just felt bad
for the kicker, the ball hit the crossbar from 42 yards.

Was it your kicker or the opponent?

If its your ball and your team, I can see how the officials might not have allowed you to introduce a new ball. The balls should have been presented and checked prior to the game.

This is what I do not understand. Usually a team tries to bring out an under inflated or altered ball. That is why the NFL went to the "K" ball because teams would doctor the balls and under inflate them to get an advantage. Also those balls are easier to hold on to and grasp when running the football.

Peace

My experience has been many of the balls presented are under inflated I keep a pump and glycerin in my bag and if they cant inflate the ball I will. Also like giving them the option that the other teams ball is proper we can just use that one. then we dont need the ball boy

Oh yeah?!?!

I bring 4 inch yellow pipe and welding equipment in case the uprights are not at extended at least 10' above the crossbar.

:D

I completely forgot about this...2 weeks ago I got a call to work a postponed game on Saturday morning after lightning had come the night before...it was a 6-man (players-not officials) game at a tiny school. Inspecting the field I went to check the padding on one of the uprights and I moved it (the upright) about 6 inches. The rain and wind had erroded around the base of the thing and it was a 4 inch pipe in a 12 inch hole. After about 6 bags of fill sand, the upright was mostly stable. Good thing too, because those 6 man games you get 2 points for kicking extra points.

No, they'd sneak in an overinflated ball for kicking.

As to how a ball could become suddenly underinflated, not hard to imagine. Somebody scuffs a cleat, raising a burr, and that burr then scratches the ball and punctures it.

I've had very new balls in good shape go down in a game....almost always regarding the inflating valve.

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We showed up at a game at a county field used by private schools only to find no one there from the county to get the equipment out. So we had no padding around the goal posts. So the coach took all the padded yard line markers and duct taped them around the pipe.

If this ever happens to you again. DO NOT PLAY on that field. You starting the game in these conditions is going to be received as your assurance that the field is safe... and when it turns out you were wrong, guess who gets included in the lawsuit.

We have too after some numbskull U sticks a needle gauge into a new ball without lubing the needle!
Ruined a $65 football!

:mad:

Other than your usual troll BS, was there a reason for yet another post of yours bashing officials?

In all the years I officiate and have used a needle (in basketball mind you), never had to lubricate the needle to take air out of it. So I call BS on BJ as usual.

Peace

This message brought to you by SPIT!, mom's universal solvent.

Always lube the needle... that's what I always say.

Must have struck a nerve, eh Bob? :D

John --

I've recently started to read the forum and I notice that many of your posts seem designed to bash (or at least to complain about) the officials.

That's not the purpose of this forum (well, all these forums). MOST of us come here to talk about situations (real ones), rules, mechanics, heck --- even equipment sometimes --- with the goal of becoming better officials.

I'd ask you to keep your comments / questions in that vein.

Not posting this to start an argument or make you angry. Honestly posting this in hopes it helps. I see you on the precipice of trolldom and I'm hoping this causes you to turn rather than jump.

(And, yes, I borrowed much of this from a similar post made by someone else on the baseball forum. And, yes, I'm somewhat familiar with your posts from the nfhs site.)

That's what the glycerine mentioned upthread is for? I used to just put the needle in my mouth to wet it.

I SWEAR! The KY Jelly in my bag is for my needle!! :eek: :D

TMI, TMI and more TMI!!!

:D

Peace

Post-stealer! :)

I am just sharing real life experiences, this really happened and a football was ruined.

Suuurrrrrrreeeeee!!!!!

Peace