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Mon Sep 27, 1999, 02:54pm
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On a try for point following a TD from the 3 yrd line. Team A is lined up in regular formation (going for two). During the running play A1 is facmasked at the 8 yardline by B1. A1 is then tackled at the 12 yard line by B2.
Using the Federation Rule book. Where is the enforcement spot? I marked it from the spot of the foul so the retry came from the 4 yrd line. Is that right?? 
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Mon Sep 27, 1999, 10:01pm
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Aj......This is a running play that ended
behind the line of scrimmage. Any fouls by B behind the line of scrimmage will be enforced at the basic spot (line of scrimmage). Therefore, you would have a replay at the 1 1/2 after a walk of half the distance. ........Larry Gonski
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Tue Sep 28, 1999, 11:18am
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The penalty enforcement for this play is on page 63, Fig. 1.......Larry Gonski
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Thu Sep 30, 1999, 08:36am
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Larry,
Thanks for your response. I was reading that section of the rule book. I do not see where it says the basic spot is the previous spot. I read the following. The basic spot on a running play is the End of Run. And the all but one principle only applies to a fouls by A. Therefore, I think the enforcement spot should be the End of Run. Any comments...?
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Thu Sep 30, 1999, 11:33am
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Aj....On that particular play, the basic spot is the previous spot. If B fouls beyond the line of scrimmage, then the basic spot is the previous spot. Like wise if B fouls behind the line of scrimmage. If A fouls down field, the basic spot is the previous spot. If A fouls behind the line of scrimmage, then it is that 'one' and it is a spot foul. When, a running play goes beyond the line of scrimmage, the basic spot moves provided that there is no flag. The ball where ever it ends is now the basic spot. If there is a clip on the fifty and the ball is downed at the two yard line, A's foul was behind the basic spot.Therefore it is a spot foul.All other fouls on A beyond the basic spot or by B anywhere is enforced at the basic spot (2 yard line). Page 64, fig. 3. This only applies to a run. It is a little confusing but you must read over and over page 63 and 64... Larry Gonski
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Thu Oct 07, 1999, 11:37am
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Larry,
I do not think I am confused, anymore. I asked this question to many referees in my association. End of the run seems to be the proper enforcement spot. 10.4.3 The basic spot is the spot where the related run ends for a foul which occurs during a running play as defined by 10.3.2. This is further illistrated when you read the rules in 10.5 Special enforcement rules Art 3 The enforcement spot for any foul by the defense is the goal line when the run ends in the end zone and would result in a safety. I read from this that normally the enforcement spot would be from the end of the run. However, when the end of the run is in the endzone and there is a foul by B, you move the enforcement spot forward to the goal line and mark it off from there. Case example: 1st and 10 for A at A's own 6 yard line. During a running play B1 grasps A3 facemask and A3 is tackled in the endzone. Enforcement spot is the goalline in this situation not the end of the run OR the previous spot. After a 15 yard march off. It would result in first and one from A's own 15 yard line. Please help me out is you feel this is totally wrong. Please site examples and Case studies too. Regards, AJ [This message has been edited by ajkottke (edited October 07, 1999).] [This message has been edited by ajkottke (edited October 07, 1999).]
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Fri Oct 08, 1999, 12:12am
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Aj.....Thanks for the info from your end and from your association. You are right that on that particular play, the enforcement is where you had it. I crossed myself with a loose ball play. I hope we can keep this board alive with this dialogue. If A throws a illegal foward pass from his end zone, does B have the option?.......Larry Gonski
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Sun Oct 10, 1999, 08:13am
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quote: How can A throw an illegal forward pass from his own end zone?
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Sun Oct 10, 1999, 07:32pm
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Tom....Intentional grounding is a form of an illegal pass. If the QB is running for his life in his end zone and throws it away, it is intentonal grounding page 49 table 7-5 in Fed. book. The question is if B is behind by five points and time is running out, would B get the option of refusing the penalty especially if the line of scrimmage is at the one? Larry Gonski
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Mon Oct 11, 1999, 01:07pm
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Aj.....Your are correct. Belive it or not I had a playoff game years ago that went into a protest. The B's team wanted the penalty declined and wanted A to punt the ball at the one yard line with 21 seconds to go. After I enforced the rule and the game was over soon, that team logged a protest with state office. A's team went on to win the next week championship game.......Larry Gonski............How about this.. On a field goal, B's player jumps up in front of the crossbar and swats the low kick away. Is the field goal good or no good?
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Tue Oct 12, 1999, 12:06am
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Larry,
In Texas we use NCAA rules, which would say that the swatted kick is definitely no good, since it did not go thru the uprights. However, there would be an illegal batting foul against Team B, which would result in a safety.
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Tue Oct 12, 1999, 11:27am
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Lee....Same for Fed. except there is no rule for illegal batting. It is considered a block by R. Does the opponent of the scoring team have to receive the following kick-off?...Larry Gonski
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Wed Oct 13, 1999, 05:46pm
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Larry...after a safety, the team which was awarded two points must receive the ball via a kick, unlike a touchdown, where the team scored against decides (yeaah, like you are gonna let them kick off) who gets the ball.
Lee
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