PSK and IW Questions

[mikesears]

For all plays:
4/10 from the K-20.

Play 1: K1 legally kicks the ball that crosses the neutral zone. During the kick R1 signals for a fair catch by waving both hands above his head (invalid signal) at the 50. The covering official blows his whistle before R1 can catch the ball.

Play 2: K1 legally kicks the ball that crosses the neutral zone. After R1 catches the kick at the R-40, R2 block K2 below the waist at the R-45. The covering official then sounds his whistle inadvertently.

Play 3: Before K1 can kick the ball, R2 holds K2 at the K-25. The kick breaks down and K1 throws a pass. While the pass is in flight, the covering official sounds his whistle inadvertently.

Play 4: No fouls, just an inadvertent whistle while the kick is in flight.

[Theisey]

Mike,
Not sure what you are trying to get at, but none of these plays involve PSK even though your subject line says "PSK and IW questions".

[mikesears]

Originally posted by Theisey
Mike,
Not sure what you are trying to get at, but none of these plays involve PSK even though your subject line says "PSK and IW questions".

Are all of these a simple replay of the down because the IW occured during a loose ball?

[Theisey]

They are handled as per IW rules.
Play #2 is not a loose ball play, The kick is over, R has the ball when the IW occurred.

[nvfoa15]

For all plays:
4/10 from the K-20.

Play 1: K1 legally kicks the ball that crosses the neutral zone. During the kick R1 signals for a fair catch by waving both hands above his head (invalid signal) at the 50. The covering official blows his whistle before R1 can catch the ball.

...K accepts the penalty for invalid signal. Using PSK enforcement 1/10 R(now A) A45; clock on the snap. K declines then IW and replay the down.

Play 2: K1 legally kicks the ball that crosses the neutral zone. After R1 catches the kick at the R-40, R2 block K2 below the waist at the R-45. The covering official then sounds his whistle inadvertently.

...same a above, if K accepts the penalty 1/10 A25, clock on the snap. If declined then IW and replay.

Play 3: Before K1 can kick the ball, R2 holds K2 at the K-25. The kick breaks down and K1 throws a pass. While the pass is in flight, the covering official sounds his whistle inadvertently.

...K should accept the penalty: 1/10 A(was K) A30; clock on the RFP. If declined then IW and replay.

Play 4: No fouls, just an inadvertent whistle while the kick is in flight.

...IW replay.

[ABoselli]

I don't even like to say the words 'inadvertant whistle' on the day of a game. It's like saying, "looks like the rain is going to hold off....". You know what happens then.

[Theisey]

Originally posted by mikesears
Are all of these a simple replay of the down because the IW occured during a loose ball?
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Not exactly.
Quick review of an IW for NF.
An IW will kill the play, the ball is now dead. It technically stops the clock too.
If the ball is in player possession, the choice is for that team to take the ball where the IW occurred or replay the down.
If the ball is loose such as during a legal kick or legal pass, there is no option.. the down is replayed.

HOWEVER, (and I remember these words from another source) "the best thing that can happen to an official during an play in which there is an IW is for a foul to have occurred". The reason is this, if the penalty is accepted, the IW is ignored.

Play 1: The kick is blown dead before R is in possession. But there is a foul. Not a PSK foul since R is not in possession when the down ended.
So, K either replays the down at the previous spot or accepts the foul against R enforced from the previous spot. Probable choice is accept the 5 yard penalty and rekick.

Play 2: The Kick has ended, we are now in a running play with R in possession. If K declines the foul, R keeps the ball where R1 was when the IW was blown.
If K accepts the foul on R2, the foul is enforced using the all-but-1 which would either be from the spot where R1 was when the IW occurred or the R-45 which is the spot of the foul.
While this may look like PSK, as I read your play, the foul occurred during the run after the kick ended.

Play 3: K can decline the foul and replay the down. But that is not the smart move since by accepting the penalty on R, they would have a first down.

Play 4: No option, the down is replayed.

You can see that my results for play 1 and play 2 differ quite a bit from "nvfoa15"

[mikesears]

Thanks! I failed to remember the part about R needing to have possession at the end of the down.

[nvfoa15]

I agree - wasn't thinking, especially on #2, IW after change of possession.