Sugar Bowl Safety

[IlliniBob72]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

If he is ruled down at the 2 yard line then the ball is dead immediately. There is no running around for 15 seconds or getting tackled. If he does that he would be open for delay of game foul.

That's not true. The play doesn't immediately end when forward progress is stopped. The play is over when the official blows the whistle or the runner is down. If a runner gets to the 35 and is hit, driven backwards to the 32, but still fighting to escape (as every runner should), the official should wait until he feels escape isn't going to happen, and blow the whistle. Forward progress is still the 35.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by IlliniBob72

The play doesn't immediately end when forward progress is stopped. .

By rule, it most certainly does.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by IlliniBob72

The play is over when the official blows the whistle

I guess those coaches who teach to play to the whistle are right after all.

[IlliniBob72]

Originally Posted by waltjp

I guess those coaches who teach to play to the whistle are right after all.

LOL I also said when the runner is down. Our association preaches slow whistles, with good reason. Make sure the ball isn't loose, no inadvertant whistles and things like that. Well, had a case where the runner was down on two knees. After making sure he has the ball still, as I'm bringing the whistle up to kill the play, the ball carrier gets blasted. Of course, I got to hear a bunch of complaints that the whistle hadn't blown yet. Of course I was very patient when I explained that the runner is down when he is down, not when the whistle is blown.

However, when that whistle blows with him in the grasp, then the play is over on the whistle.

[RedCashions]

IMHO One thing I haven't heard anyone mention is why does the Umpire go to the bench to explain the call!? I don't see that he is in any position to provide any insight on the "judgement" used. Guess when in doubt, send your largest crew member over to subliminally intiminate the coach. It's also intersting the official who ran in 12 steps to mark the ball on the 2 blew off Coach Tressel inquiry as to what went on. You would think he would know waht happened.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RedCashions

IMHO One thing I haven't heard anyone mention is why does the Umpire go to the bench to explain the call!? I don't see that he is in any position to provide any insight on the "judgement" used. Guess when in doubt, send your largest crew member over to subliminally intiminate the coach. It's also intersting the official who ran in 12 steps to mark the ball on the 2 blew off Coach Tressel inquiry as to what went on. You would think he would know waht happened.

On a safety he is on the sideline and probably like most times a coach is asking him what happen and he is telling them what happened. Coaches have no idea most of the time who is the covering official, they ask anyone that is in a striped shirt. The Umpire I am sure knew of the conversation and was relaying what he knew. And if I am not mistaken the OSU side was the chain side where the Umpire would be located by mechanic on the ensuing kickoff.

Peace

[RedCashions]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

On a safety he is on the sideline and probably like most times a coach is asking him what happen and he is telling them what happened. Coaches have no idea most of the time who is the covering official, they ask anyone that is in a striped shirt. The Umpire I am sure knew of the conversation and was relaying what he knew. And if I am not mistaken the OSU side was the chain side where the Umpire would be located by mechanic on the ensuing kickoff.

Peace

I am vey aware of the kick-off mechanics. I still think it is funny he happened to be the largest guy on the crew and twice the size of Tressel. I would think that in a situation as critical as this, the white hat could have found it iin his heart to visit with the coach; since it was he who confered with the covering official and not the umpire. Even more strange was the lack of communication from the linesman. But every crew has its way of working things out. And the bottom line is that it WAS a judgement call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RedCashions

I am vey aware of the kick-off mechanics. I still think it is funny he happened to be the largest guy on the crew and twice the size of Tressel. I would think that in a situation as critical as this, the white hat could have found it iin his heart to visit with the coach; since it was he who confered with the covering official and not the umpire. Even more strange was the lack of communication from the linesman. But every crew has its way of working things out. And the bottom line is that it WAS a judgement call.

My point was I think he was the guy that happened to be talking to Tressel when the camera showed the sideline. I do not think it was any more than that as he seemed to be over there. I know it is not uncommon to be asked questions even when you are not the person that had anything to do with the play at hand. Probably the reason no one mentioned it is because it was not as big of a deal as you are making it (size and all).

Peace