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Mike51 Tue Nov 09, 2010 03:46pm

Holding enforcement spot
 
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1st and 10 from A's30. Running play gains 5 yards, B45 is flagged for holding at A'35 yardline. If accepted wher is enforcement spot, end of run or previous spot.

TIA

Welpe Tue Nov 09, 2010 03:48pm

End of the related run.

This is just all but one enforcement. Live ball fouls are enforced from the basic spot. In this instance, the basic spot is the end of the run.

RadioBlue Wed Nov 10, 2010 03:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 700193)
End of the related run.

This is just all but one enforcement. Live ball fouls are enforced from the basic spot. In this instance, the basic spot is the end of the run.

Hold on there. B is flagged for holding ... not A. A can decline the penalty and have 2nd & 5 from their 35 or they (obviously the choice here) can have it 1st & 10 from their 40. 10 yard penalty would be marked off from the previous spot and, by rule, this is a first down (10 yd. penalty on B on 1st & 10) by rule. (Not auto.)

bisonlj Wed Nov 10, 2010 03:57pm

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Originally Posted by RadioBlue (Post 700360)
Hold on there. B is flagged for holding ... not A. A can decline the penalty and have 2nd & 5 from their 35 or they (obviously the choice here) can have it 1st & 10 from their 40. 10 yard penalty would be marked off from the previous spot and, by rule, this is a first down (10 yd. penalty on B on 1st & 10) by rule. (Not auto.)

Welpe was right. All fouls are enforced from the basic spot except foul by the offense behind the basic spot (all but one). This was a running play and the basic spot on a running play is the end of the related run. This foul is enforced from the A35 regardless of where the hold took place. 1st and 10 for A at the A45.

Welpe Wed Nov 10, 2010 04:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 700193)
End of the related run.

This is just all but one enforcement. Live ball fouls are enforced from the basic spot. In this instance, the basic spot is the end of the run.

To clarify I meant to say:

Live ball fouls by the defense are enforced from the basic spot.

HLin NC Wed Nov 10, 2010 06:29pm

End of the run = running play. Previous spot = loose ball play.

BktBallRef Wed Nov 10, 2010 08:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RadioBlue (Post 700360)
Hold on there. B is flagged for holding ... not A.

Exactly. So the foul is marked off from the end of the run.

MJT Fri Nov 12, 2010 07:30pm

Just FYI, it would be enforced from the EOR under NCAA rules also.

I would have a difficult time with a defensive hold that occurred 5 yards beyond the LOS. Defensive holds are usually on play at the LOS when a defensive lineman holds an offensive lineman who is doing a scrape block and trying to get to the linebacker for that 2nd block. Can you think of a reason for a defensive hold 5 yards beyond the LOS? I think I would be having a discussion with the calling official to see what exactly happened.

Robert Goodman Sat Nov 13, 2010 12:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJT (Post 700835)
I would have a difficult time with a defensive hold that occurred 5 yards beyond the LOS. Defensive holds are usually on play at the LOS when a defensive lineman holds an offensive lineman who is doing a scrape block and trying to get to the linebacker for that 2nd block. Can you think of a reason for a defensive hold 5 yards beyond the LOS? I think I would be having a discussion with the calling official to see what exactly happened.

Here's a simple way: It was intended as a pass play, but developed into a run when the receiver who was held appeared to be covered.


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