One Point Safety
 

We got into a discussion on our last varsity game drive. Would you ever call a 1 point safety? If so, what are the circumstances (I know them). More importantly, would you have the kahoonas to call it in varsity game?

I would call a 1-point safety if one occurred, yes. Wouldn't take either kahoonas or cajones.

A 1-point safety occurs during a try when A forces the ball 97 yards back into their own endzone and the ball becomes dead there.

No, it isn't likely.

hmmmmm how about
 

A3 fumbles the ball at the one while running to the ez B55 then bats the grounded fumble into his EZ where B 65 recovers the ball. Score 1 pt for A for the safety.

You going to rule that he batted the ball and it just didn't squirt out when he was trying to recover it? Why do people keep discussing plays that WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN! We have so many plays that we get wrong that happen 5 times a game but officials stay up late at night watching infomercials about Shamwow thinking about plays that will never happen in a million, trillion, gazillion years. WHY?

OK, as long as you're still talking about a try, that's slightly more likely than my scenario. Good point.

A muff of a grounded fumble can also impart a new force, so the result would be the same.

Never? Ask Texas A&M. a 1-point safety happened to them just last year.

A much more likely possibility, albeit NCAA only, is an interception on a try (out of the EZ or brought out of the EZ) where the intercepting team somehow puts the ball in their own EZ (in any number of ways).

I've had it almost happen and our league president has had it happen. It's also in the case book.

It's only a saftey by B (8-3-3), not A. So this would not be a one point safety.

That's a very narrow minded approach.

If it's in the rule book, rest assured, it has happened. That's why it's in there.

Interesting!

I never picked up on that in the Fed book (the latest I have is the 2007 book). I only work Fed on the occasional visits to the US, we work NCAA over here in Europe.

If it is not a 1pt safety, what would it be then? 2 points? The point values table in 8-1 says safety on a try is 1 pt. It doesn't mention teams, so you could argue that a safety by either would be 1pt.

No, you can't.

8-3-3 states that Team A can score 1 point from what would normally be a safety by B.

Under NFHS rules, B cannot score during a try down.

DITTO! :eek:

Okay...you got me, it happen one time! ;)

It not narrow minded, I just live in a state of reality! How many one-point safeties have you had in your career? This is my 19th season and I haven't and any...so this would never come up in a conversation about football officiating for me. I would rather talk about topics that WILL happen in the game (or more likely to happen) and make sure we get those right.

I vote that this rule and the rule where you can free kick after a fair catch should be eliminated from the rule book...they are just taking up precious space and ink in my rule book...IMO!

The stuff you see every game or multiple times every game are the easy ones to get right because you see them so often. The weird stuff that you will only see once in a career is the stuff you're likely to get wrong because you haven't seen it before. We should spend more time talking about the strange, rare stuff because that's the stuff that's hard.

I would tend to disagree with you, we should discuss the items that our crew needs to work on from game to game...not the once in a career play.

You should talk about what your crew needs to work on from game to game amongst your crew. Here? I think there's room for both. I'm not talking the craziest of the crazy TWP's (although that's more common in baseball/softball than here) - but stuff that might not happen often that everyone might not already have in their heads? Absolutely there's room for it here.

I see your point, but I still think you have to make time to study the strange plays that "you'll never see" because you will end up seeing them, maybe just once, but eventually you'll see it. Then you'll have one chance to have called it right, maybe even with the outcome of the game on the line. You'll either get it right because you studied it or you'll wing it and hope for the best because "it will never happen to me."

Not doubting you (I'm a novice with NFHS rules) but I can't seem to find that in the book.....

Okay...let's talk about the defense jumping into the neutral zone. That happens a lot in my games. What do you do when it happens in your games? :rolleyes:

We learn be talking about strange situations. Then, we they happen, we don't stand there with that "WTF do we do now?" look on our faces.

I have discussed unique situations on this and the NFHS fourms, only to have them happen in my games. And becasue we had discussed them thoroughly, I was prepared for it.

Finally, if you don't don't want to involve yourself in the discussion, then why not just skip the thread? :confused:

8-3-3 defines how Team A can score on a try. It does not say Team B can score during a try.

Further, case play 8.3.3 states specifically "B cannot score during a try down."

I do think often on these forums we worry about the strange or unusual situation that never happens but cannot get the routine or common thing right. Just listen to a certain coach on the NF forum and he will claim that happens every game. And how many times have we discussed this issue? I bet I have read more things on these forums about 1 point safeties than I read about many other rules. I guess some people need to discuss these things over and over a learn a rather simple rule.

Peace

Nothing until something else happens. :p

forgive me!
 

Well, being newer to the forum, I was not aware that this issue had been discussed. I found it while reading my case book and thought it was an interesting nuance that doesn't happen every day. If all we talked about was the stuff that happened all the time, it would be boring. It's the interesting, unique stuff that happens in life that makes life interesting!

No reason to ask forgiveness. Most of us agree.

You missed the point (at least I was making). I think officials on and off this forum worry too much about things that will likely never happen. That does not mean these things should not be discussed. But it does make some of these things annoying when we have some conversations about officials that miss the regular or routine plays. And I have read recently many threads on just this topic alone and it has not happen to most of us even one time. You do not need to apologize, but I do not dismiss those that feel this gets silly at some point.

Peace

Canadian Ruling
 

CANADIAN RULING:

Safeties are not possible during convert attempts.

Actually, it was in 2004 and it was probably on a play where there was a missed illegally kicking call.