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Official Mon Sep 06, 2010 06:49pm

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Originally Posted by BroKen62 (Post 691310)
Your questions are too . . .well, questionable. :confused:
You happen to know about the numbers on the clip, but you have no idea how the chains work?
These questions about the LOS are questions my wife could answer, and she's never played or officiated.
You claim you are a new official, but you are not registered? C'mon, dude!

If you aren't doing varsity you don't need to be registered.

JRutledge Mon Sep 06, 2010 06:51pm

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Originally Posted by Official (Post 691318)
If you aren't doing varsity you don't need to be registered.

What state or jurisdiction is that?

Peace

Official Mon Sep 06, 2010 06:53pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 691319)
What state or jurisdiction is that?

Peace

kansas - btw JRutledge do you recommend any more books I get than those 2? I could get another since I'll have to pay for shipping if I want another later on. Thanks

JRutledge Mon Sep 06, 2010 06:56pm

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Originally Posted by Official (Post 691321)
kansas - btw JRutledge do you recommend any more books I get than those 2? I could get another since I'll have to pay for shipping if I want another later on. Thanks

How do you get to work varsity if you have never read or studied the rulebooks? I would think that would be apart of your association or state license. Never heard that or remember hearing that. Maybe you need to join a local official's association because a lot of these things should be covered in meetings and trainings I would think.

I recommended 4 books for you already. I guess you could get a Handbook. This usually gives a more in-depth description of certain rules and the history of why a rule was changed or how it should be called.

Peace

Official Mon Sep 06, 2010 07:01pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 691322)
How do you get to work varsity if you have never read or studied the rulebooks? I would think that would be apart of your association or state license. Never heard that or remember hearing that. Maybe you need to join a local official's association because a lot of these things should be covered in meetings and trainings I would think.

I recommended 4 books for you already. I guess you could get a Handbook. This usually gives a more in-depth description of certain rules and the history of why a rule was changed or how it should be called.

Peace

I said if "You aren't doing varsity games you don't need to be registered" I thought you recommended to me 2 books?

JRutledge Mon Sep 06, 2010 07:41pm

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Originally Posted by Official (Post 691323)
I thought you recommended to me 2 books?

Look below.

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 691293)
Go to the National Federation website and order a Rulebook, Casebook and Simplified & Illustrated Rulebook. You are asking so many basic rules and do not know the other facets to the rules you will just get confused by what we say or get the rule wrong not realizing other rules.

Three books.

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 691300)
National Federation of State High School Associations - Football

And I would recommend the Rules by Topic book as the information puts the Rules and Casebook plays together. Good resource.

One book. That would be four together.

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Originally Posted by Official (Post 691323)
I said if "You aren't doing varsity games you don't need to be registered"

Here is why that is hard to understand. Why would someone give you varsity if you have never been trained in that sport? And that would be very unusual across the country as you have to be registered, licensed or have some association with some organization to just work any high school level game. And we have had people here over the years from Kansas, never heard that one before.

Can someone from Kansas shed some light on this?

Peace

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Robert Goodman Mon Sep 06, 2010 07:52pm

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Originally Posted by Official (Post 691284)
probably a dumb question. but to be on the line you have to have some body part on or near the line? - a foot, or hand? what if a linemans hand is off the line but his helmet is near the line?

Didn't you read my explanation above?

Robert Goodman Mon Sep 06, 2010 08:13pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 691319)
What state or jurisdiction is that?

The organiz'ns that publish the rules have no control over what organiz'ns use their rules. Those organiz'ns don't have to be affiliated with them. The League of Mutt & Jeff could use Fed rules without requiring officials to register with anybody.

JRutledge Mon Sep 06, 2010 09:09pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 691333)
The organiz'ns that publish the rules have no control over what organiz'ns use their rules. Those organiz'ns don't have to be affiliated with them. The League of Mutt & Jeff could use Fed rules without requiring officials to register with anybody.

I am fully aware of the first part of your comments. I was not even thinking there was a requirement by the NF and know there is no such requirement in the first place. I am very aware of how member states have their relationship with the NF as our state has gone through a recent transition from one level of membership to another. That was not what I was asking at all. I am surprised that you can work a high school game and the state does not provide the opportunity to have rulebooks and other training material to work high school games or to have a license. Most places if you want to work for the high school association you have to pay dues and they give you books or the opportunity to buy books. This guy claims he has no access (or knowledge) to that and this is why I found that odd. Even if you do not have to belong to an association, you likely have some avenue to purchase these books. The rulebooks and casebook come with our dues and we have to pass a test every year. I am not saying that is not the case in Kansas, but never heard that. And I found it odd that the requirement is if you are working varsity. Then what if they need a fill in and you are available, you cannot work. I am not like others I am not calling this BS just because it is farfetched, just found it odd that is all.

Peace

Official Mon Sep 06, 2010 09:21pm

jrutledge I am not registered therefore I can't do hs varsity games. i did get some rulebooks for free though. so i'll read those. and sorry robert goodman i completely missed your post somehow. I went back and read it - THANK YOU. someone answered my question. good day all.

JRutledge Mon Sep 06, 2010 09:27pm

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Originally Posted by Official (Post 691337)
jrutledge I am not registered therefore I can't do hs varsity games. i did get some rulebooks for free though. so i'll read those.

You can do high school games but not varsity?

Peace

Official Mon Sep 06, 2010 09:35pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 691340)
You can do high school games but not varsity?

Peace

junior varsity

waltjp Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:14pm

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Originally Posted by official (Post 691220)
to be an eligible receiver you can't have a number 50-70.

50-79


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