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Sun Sep 29, 2002, 01:45pm
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Is there a difference in a FG and PUnt in NF rules....assuming there is not, any formation that has a person in a position to receive the snap seven yards deep has the same rules apply...right....ok i am assuming that for this question....
question....we lost 2 to nothing on a contraversial safety call on my punter fielding the snap..but now i realize it was a definite bad call....my punter went to one knee with the snap on the way, fielded the ball (which i dont even believe he ever had possession on the knee, but lets just say he did) he could still rise from that knee and become a runner the same way a holder on a fake fg would, right? so he could go on and punt the ball also....I think I am on to something here...correct me if i am wrong .... thanks in advance....bkref help me out here.... 
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Sun Sep 29, 2002, 01:54pm
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my head referee is telling me on the phone that there is a difference in a fg and a punt for this knee down exception.....
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Sun Sep 29, 2002, 02:53pm
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Sorry Jim but the guy on the phone is correct. A punter is not a holder. The difference is that the exception allows the holder to kneel WHEN A TEAMMATE IS IN POSITION TO KICK THE BALL. When your punter catches the ball with his knee on the ground, there is no teammate in position to kick the ball. The punter is down.
Let it go partner.
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Sun Sep 29, 2002, 07:42pm
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But my personal protector is in position to kick the ball if he would have wanted to...hahahahaha....i like the suggestion that the rule be changed....the defense really gains no advantage here and it is a tough call for the ref to have to make....my only gripe is the game was tied and he had plenty of room for a no call...like a charge called on the game winning lay up in the basketball game....or a block for that matter...it is just a good no call....i mean my kid had his knee down on the ground for one digital frame of film...and he was bobbling the ball...so his judgement better have been perfect to be right....this was a good no call....
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Mon Sep 30, 2002, 05:10pm
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I will say one thing, Jim. I find the angle of thought and the way you ask your questions on this forum to be very professional. It gives us, as officials, a perspective of how the coaches feel about certain calls, missed calls, or actions by the officiating crews. The fact that these are actual situations and you bring them to us very quickly while the details are still fresh in your mind only adds to their quality. Thanks, Devon.
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Mon Sep 30, 2002, 09:12pm
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 The official has no choice. He has to make a call. What you suggest is like no calling a kid for just barely stepping OOB, on a long TD run. We have no choice. We have to do it. There's nothing wrong with the rule. The last thing we need is more exceptions.
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Mon Sep 30, 2002, 09:42pm
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Therefore, your punter could be on one knee but must rise before possessing the ball. Sounds like the officials made a good call.
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Thu Oct 03, 2002, 01:28pm
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Jim, would you be arguing the same advantage/disadvantage argument if the punter had
I know what you are saying BKref but what i am saying is the referree clearly had a punter bobbling the ball. It seems the default in the referees mind should be a no call. Literally on the film, the Digital Film by the way, there is ONE frame, and Digital Film is 30 frames per second, so ONE Thirtieth of a second...ONE frame I can pause and put the ball in my punter's hand and his knee on the ground...
Ten frames before and Ten frames after he is bobbling the ball clearly.... I guess this referee would have called the same bobbling catch a touchdown on a similar hypothetical play....the rule says, possession and a knee down, but i mean really he had the ball for one thirtieth of a second...That is some pretty good eyes on a ref don't you think.... I am not saying, don't call what you see, what I am saying, is it should have not been seen in the situation....seems the ref was on a witch hunt to me....
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Thu Oct 03, 2002, 01:32pm
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BktBallRef
Jim, would you be arguing the same advantage/disadvantage argument if the punter had been on the other team? I don't think so. I know what you are saying, but truly, if i had won the game on this call, i would not feel as though I had beaten the other team, i would just feel lucky i won the game. For example, if the other team had had the same thing happen and a no call would have been made, i would have clearly ackowledged the good no call....
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