Rose Bowl fumble
I don't know how many of you watched the Rose Bowl, but I had a question about a call... Oregon ball, 2nd & 2 at OSU 18. Handoff never gets made, ball drops to the turf, off the RBs foot and goes forward. It crosses into the EZ and out the side of the EZ. OSU (defense) was last team to TOUCH the ball, but never gained possession (even watching the replay, possession wasn't even close).
OSU given the ball 1st & 10 at the 20. Was OSU given the ball simply because the ball went through the EZ? What would have been the call if the ball went out on the OSU1 with neither team gaining possession? Thanks |
College uses different language than high school, but the fumble was the responsibility of the offense. The force that put the ball in the EZ was the fumble. The ball was not touched until the ball reached the EZ so anything that happens in the EZ is irrelevant as it relates to a new force (I think NCAA says impetus). Not only was the call correct, it was the only call. And even if OSU touched the ball before the ball reached the EZ, they would only be responsible for a new force if the ball had stopped or came close to stopping before the ball actually put the ball in the EZ.
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Had the ball gone out of bounds prior to entering the EZ, then the ball would have belonged to Oregon... but not at that spot. NCAA has a forward fumble rule that would have been applied. |
So if Oregon would have recovered IN the EZ, they would have gotten the ball back at the point of the fumble? Or once the ball crossed the plane as a result of the fumble is in OSU's ball regardless?
I was actually rooting for OSU, so this isn't "sour grapes". I'm just trying to understand the rule. Thanks |
would have been a TD for Oregon since it was 2d down. If that happened on 4th down then it would hav egione back to the spot of fumble.
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SamG: just to expand a little on what TXMike said... had it been fourth down... only the "fumbler" can recover the ball and not have the play whistled dead at that point with the ball being returned to the spot of the fumble.
It is crucial for an official to know the down, player number of who fumbled and player number of who recovered. I think the philosophy now that replay is part of the game at the big time level is to let the play end normally and sort it out afterward and/or let IR correct the result. |
Just as a point of reference, although the play discussed here is during the "Rose Bowl" which is obviously covered by NCAA rules, the "4th down fumble exception" does not exist, nor apply, to High School (NFHS) rules.
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I saw an Illegal Batting call in one of the bowl games. The ball was loose on the ground and a defender swiped at it and batted it backwards. Good call.
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Good when made however the booth decided it was not a fumble so the bat foul was wiped off.
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Sorry guys, I'm confused. TXMike says since it was 2nd down, if Oregon would have recovered in the EZ, it's a TD. But I thought the offense couldn't advance a fumble. :confused:
Also, if I'm understanding you correctly, on a fumble on 4th, ONLY the player fumbling the ball could recover it. If anyone else does it goes back to where the ball was fumbled. Is that correct? Thanks |
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the 4'th down fumble rule also applies during a TRY down.
There...now you have the rest of the story. |
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In NCAA, a muff only adds new impetus if the ball is at rest as was mentioned before. |
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On fourth down or a try, if the ball is recovered by by an offensive player other than the fumbler BEHIND the spot of the fumble (i.e. the ball is fumbled backwards), it's marked at the spot of the fumble RECOVERY. |
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