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parepat Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:21am

Helmets, helmets, helmets
 
This is only marginally related to officiating, but, does anyone have a clue why helmets now routinely fly off the heads of players? 30 years ago many helmets had only 1 strap or; if two, located right at the chin. Now, there are two straps located all the way up on the head. You would think that the helmets would stay on better, but the opposite seems to be true.

NorCalRef12 Wed Dec 23, 2009 07:19pm

That's an easy one. The rules state that the helmet must have a four point chin strap and that all four points must be connected. The rules say nothing about the helmet fitting correctly nor do they say anything about the chinstraps actually holding on to the chin.

Most of the players keep the chinstraps so loose that the chinstrap rests closer to the neck than the chin. They also like to keep the helmet loose so that it is easy to take off. Most programs don't take the time to fit the players properly nor are they pushed to. I think this needs to be a point of emphasis for the coaches because an improperly fitted helmet is almost as bad as no helmet at all. Additionally, if it is not fitted correctly it will not absorb an impact correctly which could lead to more brain injuries.

I have no study to back this up, just my observation as a player for 10 years and an official for another 10.

Robert Goodman Wed Dec 23, 2009 08:42pm

Then why, if Parepat's observation is correct, did helmets fit better before?

NorCalRef12 Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:27am

Helmet's didn't fit better before, I believe that players adjusted them properly before. I think that players are not wearing the helmets properly. They don't keep the helmet bladders inflated, they wear small jaw pads because it is more comfortable, and they don't have the chin straps tightened.

Robert Goodman Thu Dec 24, 2009 09:44am

Then why did they adjust them properly before?

Welpe Thu Dec 24, 2009 01:23pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 645518)
Then why did they adjust them properly before?


Because wearing them loose wasn't the cool thing to do. I played not that long ago and I don't remember a player's helmet coming off during play like they do now. Helmets have not changed very much at all from when I stopped playing to today. Most of us just wore them properly.

jaybird Thu Dec 24, 2009 02:16pm

The problem is not that the helmet is not being worn properly, the problem is it is not being sized properly. Players are wearing loose fitting helmets because that's what they see on television. When you see a player effortlessly pull his helmet on or off with one hand, it is not sized to fit.

Jim D. Thu Dec 24, 2009 06:14pm

Part of it is hair styles. Look at Stephen Jackson of the Rams - his helmet routinely flies off. He's got more hair on him than an entire team of players from the 50's.

Robert Goodman Thu Dec 24, 2009 09:07pm

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Originally Posted by Jim D. (Post 645600)
Part of it is hair styles. Look at Stephen Jackson of the Rams - his helmet routinely flies off. He's got more hair on him than an entire team of players from the 50's.

Then why didn't helmets fly off like crazy in the 1960s or 1970s?

tpaulikas Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:28pm

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Originally Posted by Jim D. (Post 645600)
Part of it is hair styles. Look at Stephen Jackson of the Rams - his helmet routinely flies off. He's got more hair on him than an entire team of players from the 50's.

good point Jim...LOL

refnrev Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:43am

I'm a football fan... not an official.... but I am in three other sports. I think they fly off more because players are much bigger, faster, and stronger, and now are hitting each other a heck of a lot harder than they used to. Just my 2 cents from the stands.

Welpe Fri Dec 25, 2009 01:14am

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Originally Posted by refnrev (Post 645686)
I'm a football fan... not an official.... but I am in three other sports. I think they fly off more because players are much bigger, faster, and stronger, and now are hitting each other a heck of a lot harder than they used to. Just my 2 cents from the stands.

I'm not sure about that one. I don't remember ever seeing helmets flying off routinely when Lawrence Taylor, Ken Norton, Jr. or Ronnie Lott would lay some of those hits.

jaybird Fri Dec 25, 2009 01:27am

Possibly another reason is that in the past, players tried to tackle whereas now all they want is to blow somebody up in order to make the highlight reels and Sportscenter.

parepat Mon Dec 28, 2009 03:18pm

Good points. It makes sense that with the 4 point straps way up on the head it would be more difficult to remove a properly fitted helmet. THe speed that this issue has arisen leads me to believe that this is not a result of changes in the game, but rather the way that the helmets are fitted or worn.

umpirebob71 Mon Dec 28, 2009 04:26pm

I know when I played, you had to stick your fingers in the earholes of the helmet and pull outward, then up to get the helmet off. There wasn't any wiggle room allowed. We had a coach whose job it was before summer practice to fit everybody's helmet properly.

jaybird Mon Dec 28, 2009 07:08pm

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Originally Posted by umpirebob71 (Post 646484)
I know when I played, you had to stick your fingers in the earholes of the helmet and pull outward, then up to get the helmet off. There wasn't any wiggle room allowed. We had a coach whose job it was before summer practice to fit everybodys helmet properly.

Exactly. My point precisely.

tiger49 Tue Dec 29, 2009 07:07pm

Guys,

As a university Equipment Manager for the past 11 seasons one of the big changes I have seen is how the helmet is designed.

Until the Riddell Revo was put on the market all helmets had jaw pads that covered the entire ear. With the Revo their jaw pads only covered the front part of the ear. This made it much easier to remove the helmet, as you no longer had to pull out on the helmet to get it around your ears. All helmets have now gone to this type of design. Even Schutt, the only company using jaw pads on their new models have redesigned the jaw pad so that there is no longer complete coverage of the ear.

parepat Tue Jan 05, 2010 04:13pm

Now we are getting somewhere. Maybe someone should tell the manufacturers that their product can not provide protection to the player's head if it is rolling on the the ground while the play continues. It seems to me that an important quality of the helmet would be to remain on the head that it is designed to protect.

ajmc Thu Jan 07, 2010 04:19pm

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Originally Posted by parepat (Post 648583)
Now we are getting somewhere. Maybe someone should tell the manufacturers that their product can not provide protection to the player's head if it is rolling on the the ground while the play continues. It seems to me that an important quality of the helmet would be to remain on the head that it is designed to protect.

Apparently there is a manufacturer of a newly designed football helmet that is already being used at the collegiate level and in the NFL. The company is Xenith, LLC who manufactures the Xenith X1 football helmet. The design incorporates newly designed shock absorbers, incorporated into a "Shock bonnet" that includes an anchored chin strap assembly that is designed to reduce the overall incidence and severity of traumatic brain injury.

Their web site is Xenith.


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