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[whitehat]

Good clarification AJMC: this is not a scrimage kick or just a "kick" but an illegal kick and therefore treated as a fumble.

I'm with Golfnref, since this is an illegal kick (although considered a fumble) even if ball went OOB beyond LTG B would certainly take the penatly and not give K a 1st and 10.

don't ya just love how intricate and complicated this game can be ;-)

Just as further commentary between a scrimmage kick and this illegal kick:
6-2-7 reminds us "When any scrimmage kick is OOB between the goal lines or becomes dead inbounds between the goal lines while no player is in possession, or inbounds anywhere while players are in joint possession, the ball is awarded to R..." (this is regardless of the down when scrimmage kick took place)

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by whitehat

Good clarification AJMC: this is not a scrimage kick or just a "kick" but an illegal kick and therefore treated as a fumble.

Technically in Fed, NCAA, and NFL, it's not an illegal kick, but illegally kicking the ball. It's a fumble because it was already a fumble when it was kicked.