batting

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by whitehat

I'm with Jaybird, illiegal kicking.

OK while typing I see we have more info added....the kick went out of bound at LOS.

all but one enforcement would be a 15 yard penalty from spot of illegal kick (basic spot is previous spot since loose ball play)
Illegal kicking does not carry loss of down. Since ball went out of bounds, B would have choice of enforcing 15 yard penalty and have A replay 4th down, or decline and take ball at spot it went out of bounds.

A word of caution. On 4th down, when the kicked ball went OOB short of the line to gain, the result of the play would be R taking over where the ball went OOB because K failed to make the LTG and lost the ball on downs (NOT because it was a kick OOB).

Because a kicked loose ball is treated as a fumble, should the OOB spot be beyond the LTG, taking the results of the play (a fumbled ball OOB belongs to the team last in possession at the OOB spot) would give the ball to K, with a 1st and 10.

[golfnref]

Originally Posted by ajmc

A word of caution. On 4th down, when the kicked ball went OOB short of the line to gain, the result of the play would be R taking over where the ball went OOB because K failed to make the LTG and lost the ball on downs (NOT because it was a kick OOB).

Because a kicked loose ball is treated as a fumble, should the OOB spot be beyond the LTG, taking the results of the play (a fumbled ball OOB belongs to the team last in possession at the OOB spot) would give the ball to K, with a 1st and 10.

I wouldn't let the captain make a mistake and decline the penalty. I know the purists will have an opinion on this.

[whitehat]

Good clarification AJMC: this is not a scrimage kick or just a "kick" but an illegal kick and therefore treated as a fumble.

I'm with Golfnref, since this is an illegal kick (although considered a fumble) even if ball went OOB beyond LTG B would certainly take the penatly and not give K a 1st and 10.

don't ya just love how intricate and complicated this game can be ;-)

Just as further commentary between a scrimmage kick and this illegal kick:
6-2-7 reminds us "When any scrimmage kick is OOB between the goal lines or becomes dead inbounds between the goal lines while no player is in possession, or inbounds anywhere while players are in joint possession, the ball is awarded to R..." (this is regardless of the down when scrimmage kick took place)

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by whitehat

Good clarification AJMC: this is not a scrimage kick or just a "kick" but an illegal kick and therefore treated as a fumble.

Technically in Fed, NCAA, and NFL, it's not an illegal kick, but illegally kicking the ball. It's a fumble because it was already a fumble when it was kicked.