Scrimmage Kick

[WGGriffon]

Scrimmage kick from K's 25. R20 in position to catch the ball at R's 45. While ball is in air, K5 contacts R21, who is in the same vicinity of R20 and knocks him into R20. After the contact R20 muffs the kick at R's 45. What is the call if:


R20 recovers muff on R's 40?

K5 recovers ball on R's 40?

R20 recovers ball on R's 40, retreats to R's 25, where he is hit, fumbles the ball and K5 picks up the ball and advances it into the end zone?

Does anything change if R21 was coming in to block for R20?

Does anything change if there was a valid fair catch signal?


Lively discussion at the meeting. Would love to get some feedback here.

Thanks

[bigjohn]

NFHS Forum: Blocked into R

[WGGriffon]

Not sure what that post decided except for I just read what looked like a transcript from our Study Group tonight. Lots of opinions, but no concrete answers.

[bigjohn]

6-5-ART. 6 . . . While any free kick is in flight in or beyond the neutral zone to the
receiver’s goal line or any scrimmage kick is in flight beyond the neutral zone to
the receiver’s goal line, K shall not:
a. Touch the ball or R, unless blocked into the ball or R, or to ward off a blocker;
or
b. Obstruct R’s path to the ball.
This prohibition applies even when no fair-catch signal is given, but it does not
apply after a free kick has been touched by a receiver, or after a scrimmage kick
has been touched by a receiver who was clearly beyond the neutral zone at the
time of touching.

[ppaltice]

If K5 initiates contact with R21, he is guilty of KCI as R is in a position to catch to the kick and was impeded.

If R21 is blocking K5 and gets too close to R20 and you deem that K5 did not impede R20's path to the ball, then you have no foul.

It is a judgement call. The fact that K5 blocks R21 into R20 is not a foul by itself as K has the right to position himself near where the kick is coming down in order to make a play.

[bigjohn]

6-2-4

ART. 4 . . . Any K player may catch or recover a scrimmage kick while it is
beyond the neutral zone or the expanded neutral zone, provided such kick has
been touched by a receiver who was clearly beyond the neutral zone at the time
of touching. Such touching is ignored if it is caused by K pushing or blocking R
into contact with the ball or it is caused by K legally batting or muffing the ball
into R. Such catch or recovery by K beyond the neutral zone causes the ball to
become dead. (See 6-5-6 EXCEPTION)


So if K blocks any R that causes this touching it should be ignored. Not just R20. How can you say he didn't impede the kick receiver?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by WGGriffon

Scrimmage kick from K's 25. R20 in position to catch the ball at R's 45. While ball is in air, K5 contacts R21, who is in the same vicinity of R20 and knocks him into R20. After the contact R20 muffs the kick at R's 45. What is the call if:


A. R20 recovers muff on R's 40?

B. K5 recovers ball on R's 40?

C. R20 recovers ball on R's 40, retreats to R's 25, where he is hit, fumbles the ball and K5 picks up the ball and advances it into the end zone?

D. Does anything change if R21 was coming in to block for R20?

CANADIAN RULING:

K5's contact is legal unless it if a block in the back. This is an in-flight foul applied at PP.

[jemiller]

A. R20 recovers muff on R's 40? R ball on the 40.

B. K5 recovers ball on R's 40? K's ball on the 40.

C. R20 recovers ball on R's 40, retreats to R's 25, where he is hit, fumbles the ball and K5 picks up the ball and advances it into the end zone? TD for K.

D. Does anything change if R21 was coming in to block for R20? No.

IMHO Jim

[HLin NC]

Are you in my association 'cause we had this same discussion Friday night between my R, BJ, and I coming home.