Kick play

[ref1986]

bossman,

Right on both counts. It's not PSK, so if K accepts the penalty it's previous spot. If for some reason K declines the penalty, R will get the ball at the spot of first touching. This is unlikely, but could happen. Suppose it had been 4th and 12 and K rocketed a kick that was first touched at R's 20. K might decline the penalty because it wouldn't be a first down and let R have the ball at R's 20.

[ppaltice]

You have first touching, a PSK foul and K in possession at the end of the down. The only time first touching is cancelled is if R fouls after touching the ball or if any foul is accepted.

If K accepts the penalty, it will be 10 yards from either the end of the kick or the spot of the foul (using all but one).

If K declines the penalty, R will most certainly take the ball at the spot of first touching. (R could decline to take the ball at first touching too and it will be K's ball).

The key to remember for PSK (2-16-2h) is that it is not who is in possession at the end of the down, but whether K would be the next to put the ball in play. Since we have First Touching, that is not the case.

We can make the play simpler, keeping the same two elements that are confusing you:

4th and 8 from K's 30. R33 holds K12 beyond the NZ during the kick. K20 falls on the untouched kick at R15 yard line.

We still have First Touching, PSK and K in possession at the end of the down.

[insatty]

First touching is never a live-ball-penalty-enforcement spot. This holding foul is enforced from previous spot (loose-ball play). K did not obtain ball with clean hands, because of first-touching violation, and since K recovered fumble there is not PSK. Options are: Decline penalty and R gets ball at first-touching spot; accept penalty and K has 1/10 @ K40. So K will obviously accept penalty.

[ppaltice]

This is a PSK enforcement foul. It meets all of the criteria of 2-16-2h including part 5) and K will not be next to put the ball in play. And absolutely you must consider the first touching in determining if this is a PSK foul or not.

Again, think of this play first:

PLAY1: 4th and 8 from K's 30. R33 holds K12 beyond the NZ during the kick. K20 falls on the untouched kick at R15 yard line.

K has possession of the ball at the end of the down. But R will be the next to put the ball in play (because of the first touching by K). R33's hold will be enforced using PSK enforcement. The enforcement spot will be determined from the all but 1 between where the kick ended and the spot of the foul.

PLAY2: 4th and 8 from K's 30. R33 holds K12 beyond the NZ during the kick. K20 touches the ball on R15 yard line and the ball goes out of bounds.

Still PSK foul since R will be the next to put the ball in play. The enforcement spot will be the inbounds spot of where the ball went OOB (or the spot of the foul, depending on which is worse).

PLAY3: 4th and 8 from K's 30. R33 holds K12 beyond the NZ during the kick. R86 touches the ball on R15 yard line and K falls on the ball at R20 yard line.

This is not a PSK foul as K will be the next to put the ball into play. K has the option of accepting the penalty (10 yds from previous spot and replay down) or declining the penalty and taking the ball 1st and 10 at spot of recovery.

PLAY4 (Orig): 4th and 8 from K's 30. R33 holds K12 beyond the NZ during the kick. The kick is rolling and is first touched by K at the K 45. R44 picks up the ball and runs it back to the K20 where he fumbles and K recovers.

Like play1, R will be the next to team to put the ball into play due to first touching. So, this is a PSK foul. The enforcement spot is where R picked up the ball (end of kick) or spot of the hold, depending on which is worse.