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bigjohn Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:02am

Good Block or penalty?
 
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TXMike Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:50am

High (but not too high) and on the side. No foul

mbyron Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:51am

Looks good to me. Head in front, didn't touch the player's back. What would the foul be?

bigjohn Thu Jul 23, 2009 02:47pm

it is Butt Blocking as defined by the rules book, casebook and S & I. The helmet was the initial contact. Can't you hear it?

mbyron Thu Jul 23, 2009 02:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 616445)
it is Butt Blocking as defined by the rules book, casebook and S & I. The helmet was the initial contact. Can't you hear it?

You can't flag a sound. Looks like he hit pads to me.

bigjohn Thu Jul 23, 2009 02:57pm

No but I can see the blockers helmet hit the defender in the earhole.

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ajmc Thu Jul 23, 2009 03:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 616445)
it is Butt Blocking as defined by the rules book, casebook and S & I. The helmet was the initial contact. Can't you hear it?

The blocker does not seem to have made any effort to initiate contact below the shoulders as he was clearly targeting his opponents head, and it does appear that the initial contact was made with his head, to his oppnents head. From the angle shown on the film, It appears to have deserved a flag ESPECIALLY at the Pop Warner level.

TXMike Thu Jul 23, 2009 04:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 616445)
it is Butt Blocking as defined by the rules book, casebook and S & I. The helmet was the initial contact. Can't you hear it?

"Hear it" ???? Where in the world did you ever learn to make a call that way?

Maybe some of you have better quality computers and or connections and you are seeing detail I do not see but I do not see the helmets contact intentionally or unintentionally.

bigjohn Thu Jul 23, 2009 04:29pm

intent doesn't matter and it only matters that the blocker is initiating the contact with his helmet.

TXMike Thu Jul 23, 2009 04:31pm

"Well coach, if it happened like you saw it then it was a foul and a missed call. I can just tell you I did not see it that way"

JRutledge Thu Jul 23, 2009 05:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by TXMike (Post 616468)
"Hear it" ???? Where in the world did you ever learn to make a call that way?

Maybe some of you have better quality computers and or connections and you are seeing detail I do not see but I do not see the helmets contact intentionally or unintentionally.

Maybe he learned this from basketball coaches. After all they want us to make calls too based on what we hear. :rolleyes:

Peace

jaybird Thu Jul 23, 2009 06:21pm

NFHS: Legal block.

Ed Hickland Thu Jul 23, 2009 07:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 616445)
it is Butt Blocking as defined by the rules book, casebook and S & I. The helmet was the initial contact. Can't you hear it?

OK. There is a sound of something contacting something. But we don't base our calls on sound, our calls are based upon light that travels must faster than sound.

So, I did not SEE where exactly the player's helmet hit, therefore, no call.

Reffing Rev. Thu Jul 23, 2009 08:50pm

Legalish
 
The hit looks legal.

At the moment of impact the contact was legal. BUT
Just before contact you can see the blocker lower his head almost into 'ram' mode. And his 'initial charge' would have been illegal helmet contact.

With the possible injuries that can occur, I would have no problem erring on the side of safety and flagging this one for illegal helmet contact at the sub-varsity.

But like I said, it looked technically legal.

bigjohn Thu Jul 23, 2009 08:50pm

and you could tell where he got hit by his feet flying out from under him and his head snapping back as he was hit?

The only way to knock him off his feet that way is a sharp hit to the head. The blockers arms were to low for that to be true. Watch the kid fly off his feet and you can tell he was earholed.

The point is it doesn't matter where his helmet hit the defender, just that he lead with his head, no doubt that is what happened.


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