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Brandon Kincer Thu May 14, 2009 04:40pm
Penalties
 
What penalties can be called on:

Offense but not Defense
Defense but not Offense
Both

Mike L Thu May 14, 2009 05:24pm
This brings to mind one of my favorite penalty stories. Just an average play in an average game, the umpire drops a flag reasonably close to the B sideline. He reports to me he has clipping on B. The B coach, noticeably upset shouts out, "hey Bob, the defense can't clip". To which he replies, "you're right coach, the defense can't clip." The B coach looks really confused at this point, especially since Bob is continuing with the 15 yd walk-off. Once again we hear, "but Bob, the defense CAN'T clip!" To which Bob just replies, "you got it coach, the defense can't clip that's why there's a flag." The coach throws his hands up in frustration, Bob sets the ball down and I blow it ready while telling Bob who's just grinning at me "you're killing me, you know that right?"

waltjp Thu May 14, 2009 06:10pm
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Originally Posted by Brandon Kincer (Post 602218)
What penalties can be called on:

Offense but not Defense
Defense but not Offense
Both
I'm pretty sure the defense or receiving team can not be guilty of -

Intentional Grounding
Ineligible Down field
False Start
Snap Infraction
Illegal Formation
Planned Loose Ball Infraction
Illegal Touching
Free Kick Infraction
Kick Catching Interference

The offense or kicking team can not be guilty of -

Roughing the Passer, Kicker, Holder, Snapper
Illegal or Invalid Fair Catch Signal
Running into Kicker, Holder or Snapper
Illegal Blocking after Fair Catch Signal
Illegal block below waist or on free-kicker or holder

jaybird Thu May 14, 2009 06:46pm
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Originally Posted by Brandon Kincer (Post 602218)
What penalties can be called on:

Offense but not Defense
Defense but not Offense
Both
All of the above:
5 yard
10 yard
15 yard
Half the distance
DQ
Spot
Special enforcement (see kicking)

These are the penalties and they apply to both teams. They are applicable depending upon what foul may have been committed and the location on the field.

waltjp Thu May 14, 2009 06:50pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaybird (Post 602236)
All of the above:
5 yard
10 yard
15 yard
Half the distance
DQ
Spot
Special enforcement (see kicking)

These are the penalties and they apply to both teams. They are applicable depending upon what foul may have been committed and the location on the field.
Excellent point!

jaybird Thu May 14, 2009 06:54pm
Read, study, learn and know rule 2!!

waltjp Thu May 14, 2009 07:02pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaybird (Post 602242)
Read, study, learn and know rule 2!!
Don't push it. LOL.

Brandon Kincer Thu May 14, 2009 08:56pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaybird (Post 602236)
All of the above:
5 yard
10 yard
15 yard
Half the distance
DQ
Spot
Special enforcement (see kicking)

These are the penalties and they apply to both teams. They are applicable depending upon what foul may have been committed and the location on the field.
in saying "all of the above", do you mean all penaties can be called on both teams or what waltjp said?

jaybird Thu May 14, 2009 09:44pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Kincer (Post 602253)
in saying "all of the above", do you mean all penaties can be called on both teams or what waltjp said?
Yes, all penalties can be called (accessed) on both. Not all fouls can be committed by both.

Walt responded to what you meant, I responded to what you said. This is a prime example of why we should all master Rule 2 (Definitions) and be able use them properly when communicating. Think of it like this, a foul is an infraction of the rules and a penalty is the punishment that is accessed for committing a foul.

waltjp Thu May 14, 2009 10:30pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaybird (Post 602256)
Yes, all penalties can be called (accessed) on both. Not all fouls can be committed by both.

Walt responded to what you meant, I responded to what you said. This is a prime example of why we should all master Rule 2 (Definitions) and be able use them properly when communicating. Think of it like this, a foul is an infraction of the rules and a penalty is the punishment that is accessed for committing a foul.
And remember, the distance portion of any penalty may be declined.

Brandon Kincer Fri May 15, 2009 02:21am
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaybird (Post 602256)
Yes, all penalties can be called (accessed) on both. Not all fouls can be committed by both.

Walt responded to what you meant, I responded to what you said. This is a prime example of why we should all master Rule 2 (Definitions) and be able use them properly when communicating. Think of it like this, a foul is an infraction of the rules and a penalty is the punishment that is accessed for committing a foul.
Thanks guys, I appreciate the help.

daggo66 Fri May 15, 2009 05:46am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike L (Post 602223)
This brings to mind one of my favorite penalty stories. Just an average play in an average game, the umpire drops a flag reasonably close to the B sideline. He reports to me he has clipping on B. The B coach, noticeably upset shouts out, "hey Bob, the defense can't clip". To which he replies, "you're right coach, the defense can't clip." The B coach looks really confused at this point, especially since Bob is continuing with the 15 yd walk-off. Once again we hear, "but Bob, the defense CAN'T clip!" To which Bob just replies, "you got it coach, the defense can't clip that's why there's a flag." The coach throws his hands up in frustration, Bob sets the ball down and I blow it ready while telling Bob who's just grinning at me "you're killing me, you know that right?"

I LOVE agreeing with the coach! I once worked a youth game and after a catch the opposing coach was yelling that the receiver only had one foot inbounds. "Thanks coach, that's what I saw as well." "BUT HE ONLY HAD ONE FOOT IN." "Coach, you're right I agee with you." "HUH?"

mikesears Fri May 15, 2009 08:43am
Jaybird and Walt nailed it.

Texas Aggie Fri May 15, 2009 05:19pm
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the distance portion of any penalty may be declined
I'm not sure if you really meant this, but under NCAA rules, the entire penalty may be declined (as a whole), but disqualified players must always leave.

When you say "distance portion," does that mean Fed will allow you to, say, ignore the distance on a roughing the passer penalty and just go with a first down? That would be bizarre.

w_sohl Fri May 15, 2009 11:12pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 602507)
I'm not sure if you really meant this, but under NCAA rules, the entire penalty may be declined (as a whole), but disqualified players must always leave.

When you say "distance portion," does that mean Fed will allow you to, say, ignore the distance on a roughing the passer penalty and just go with a first down? That would be bizarre.
You could decline the distance for say a penalty that will put your kick at a bad angle for a kick. Accept the penatly get to rekick, but decline the distance.


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