Possible rules changes for 2009

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by ajmc

Even all the king's horses and all the king's men can't make a stupid remark smart, it just doesn't work that way. When frustration compels someone to offer a really unnecessary, and stupid, remark most officials have learned it best to try and ignore the first stupid uttering, in hopes once the hot air is spent it will blow away.

Trying to out-stupid the first dumb remark, with an even dumber one, usually doesn't do anything to elevate anything related to intelligence. Unfortunately, when the first stupid remark generates a string of equally stupid responses, to the point it seems any stupid comment requires a choir like series of equally stupid responses, ignoring all of them just doesn't seem as effective a deterrent as hoped.

The fact that someone has been offering stupid remarks longer than everyone else doesn't usually amount to an accomplishment for most and perhaps should serve as an opportunity for introspection.

Perhaps, simply choosing to respond to stupid postings more like we all know how to respond to stupid comments we hear on the field, ignoring most of the initial ones, there would be a lot less need for cascading stupid reactions. Do any stupid, unnecessary comments relate to rule changes? It's really rare that when rocks start getting thrown back and forth, anyone actually benefits from the exercise

Irony?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by waltjp

Irony?

I was thinking the same thing.

Peace

[Mike L]

Just because I like watching these hamsters run, here's what I got out of ajmc's remarks...

...stupid...unnecessary, and stupid...stupid...hot air...

...out-stupid...dumb remark...even dumber...stupid ...stupid responses...stupid comment...stupid...

...stupid remarks...

...stupid postings...stupid, unnecessary comments...

everything else in between pretty much reminded me of Charlie Brown's teacher. Wa-wat-wa wat-wa-wa.

[ajmc]

I was afraid I might have been too subtle, MikeL, but I'm glad you were able to glean the heart of it. Did you ever think about all the trouble Charlie Brown might have avoided if he heard his teacher, just a little?

[Mike L]

Originally Posted by ajmc

I was afraid I might have been too subtle, MikeL, but I'm glad you were able to glean the heart of it. Did you ever think about all the trouble Charlie Brown might have avoided if he heard his teacher, just a little?

Actually, Charlie always did hear his teacher and responded intelligently. At least as intelligently as a cartoon kid could. The genius of Schultz was he realized, what the teacher actually said was not relevant to his audience for either the humor or understanding of the story. Perhaps that is something you in your self appointed role of "teacher" here should consider.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Mike L

. Perhaps that is something you in your self appointed role of "teacher" here should consider.

MikeL, I've never seen myself in the role of a teacher, especially not with something as basic and as important as normal manners and respect. Those are things your parents were supposed to teach you, although I don't fault them for the results they attained with you. For any type of learning to happen, it requires some level of interest and intent to be taught on the part of the student.

There are some things, that if you fail to understand by the age of 10 or 12, you just may never get.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ajmc

MikeL, I've never seen myself in the role of a teacher, especially not with something as basic and as important as normal manners and respect. Those are things your parents were supposed to teach you, although I don't fault them for the results they attained with you. For any type of learning to happen, it requires some level of interest and intent to be taught on the part of the student.

There are some things, that if you fail to understand by the age of 10 or 12, you just may never get.

I would say then your parents did not teach you very well if you think this is about manners. For one this is a place to discuss things. Secondly, there is nothing in manners that requires everyone to agree with a person or not have an opinion. If we were talking about politics, people would have an opinion about the people involved and the positions they take. This has absolutely to do with manners; you really need to stop acting like it does.

Peace

[Mike L]

Originally Posted by ajmc

MikeL, I've never seen myself in the role of a teacher, especially not with something as basic and as important as normal manners and respect. Those are things your parents were supposed to teach you, although I don't fault them for the results they attained with you. For any type of learning to happen, it requires some level of interest and intent to be taught on the part of the student.

There are some things, that if you fail to understand by the age of 10 or 12, you just may never get.

Perhaps not, but you certainly like to lecture like one. You may not see yourself that way, but if you bother to read the many responses to your posts, that is the way you are seen. Perhaps your parents should have taught you that how people see you is reality.

[Ed Hickland]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Whatever you say Big Guy. You will not be around in a week and it took you over a several weeks to comment on a dead issue.

If you do not like what is said, do not come back. You will not hurt my feelings or anyone else here for that matter I am sure.

Peace

I second that.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by ajmc

Even all the king's horses and all the king's men can't make a stupid remark smart, it just doesn't work that way.

Agreed

When frustration compels someone to offer a really unnecessary, and stupid, remark most officials have learned it best to try and ignore the first stupid uttering, in hopes once the hot air is spent it will blow away.

I'm really hoping.

Trying to out-stupid the first dumb remark, with an even dumber one, usually doesn't do anything to elevate anything related to intelligence.

Damn, so much for hoping.

Unfortunately, when the first stupid remark generates a string of equally stupid responses, to the point it seems any stupid comment requires a choir like series of equally stupid responses, ignoring all of them just doesn't seem as effective a deterrent as hoped.

I'm getting lost here, are you making the first stupid remark or the equally stupid response?

The fact that someone has been offering stupid remarks longer than everyone else doesn't usually amount to an accomplishment for most and perhaps should serve as an opportunity for introspection.

How about someone who has offered the longest stupid post?

Perhaps, simply choosing to respond to stupid postings more like we all know how to respond to stupid comments we hear on the field, ignoring most of the initial ones, there would be a lot less need for cascading stupid reactions.

Physician heal thyself.

Do any stupid, unnecessary comments relate to rule changes?

Your post sure didn't, but is that required? This board would be really quiet if all posts were required to relate to just rule changes. Some posts relate to rats and cheats.

It's really rare that when rocks start getting thrown back and forth, anyone actually benefits from the exercise

Says the man as he throws one of the largest boulders in the thread.

[kdf5]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Agreed



I'm really hoping.



Damn, so much for hoping



I'm getting lost here, are you making the first stupid remark or the equally stupid response?




How about someone who has offered the longest stupid post?



Physician heal thyself.



Your post sure didn't, but is that required. This board would be really quiet if all postes were required to relate to just rule changes. Some posts relate to rats and cheats.



Says the man as he throws one of the largest boulders in the thread.

A friggin' classic! Well done, sir.

[Tom.OH]

Originally Posted by zebra295

You know a funny thing happened since I posted my earlier social experiment, this same pack of snarling beasts simply moved to another area and continued to ravage anything in its path.

Instead of trolling this web site and spewing your vile all over the Internet for everyone to read and see, why don't you go down to the barber shop and get yourselves some "man-zillians", then head out to your own local ice cream parlor, sit next to a nice looking lady, make some conversation and go out on a date! and do it again! and do it again!

I mean, do any of you have lives? Or does JRutDude come here to meet TXMike every night? Or does Hickland come here to meet JayBird every night? Or does ASDF come here to meet Snackwells (aka Snausages) because it doesn't hurt so much? Or does HLNC come here to meet "Mr(P)umpire of the night"? Get a life ladies and Ed Hickland please don't suck Brand New into your lair of arrogance. Really fellers, what kind of perfume do you buy each other for Christmas?

Has anyone ever bothered to count that there's only 20 of you and its the same drone over and over and over. RutDude Since 2000! That 8 years. You must have such bad buildup, you could shampoo a Wildebeest from 20 yards away! Turn it loose on a woman for the love of god. You'll be in a much better mood when you arrive and hopefully talk about what a beautiful shade a green field-turf is!

Have fun with this post boorish louts. And Jaybird, you are definitely elevating your game to a who new level with those shameful comments about the 50 year officiating veteran. Be proud. You da man. Barack ran so that despicable hyenas could interact with children.

Zebra295,you just joined this month and have added 20 posts. I am not sure if you have had any positive posts but I do know you have added negative posts and we do not need these. This forum was good before you joined and will be good AFTER YOU LEAVE. Don't let the door hit you on the butt on the way out. Goodbye.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This has absolutely to do with manners; you really need to stop acting like it does.

Peace

Perhaps, therein lies the problem, we're talking about two different things. You keep trying to pull my comments back into a discussion about the A-11 Offense. As I've often repeated, I'm not arguing with your opposition to this offense.

I have never hinted, much less suggested, there is anything wrong with disagreeing with someone, holding or advocating a different viewpoint or forming and defending a different opinion. Going way back, when several posters started to get way off the track and crossed the line of honest, civil debate, I simply suggested some drifted a little too far.

Shouldn't have been a big deal, but some apparently hold themselves way above even the suggestion that they may have erred and apparently cannot accept any possible criticism, or even suggestion of such.

You've (that's a collective "you") been trying to cover, what started as some innocuous excessive language to defend your position, with a WW III defensive effort that has detoured down multiple roads to nowhere, climbed mountains of righteous indignation and all sorts of anncillary BS, rather than simply consider what you originally stated, and respond accordingly.

To all of you, easily offended contributors; if you want to bellow and bark and make stupid, unfounded accusations and toss childish insults annonimously, or by name, at people you will never meet, knock yourselves out, but do it on your own.

However, when you readily and willingly identify yourselves as "officials", to add credibility to whatever your argument is on whatever subject you care to comment on, your presentation casts light on the rest of us who lay claim to that title. If you want to speak as some jerk, you are free to do so, but be good enough to do so on your own.

When, however, you choose to speak from under the umbrella, of being an "official", you should understand you're speaking with a level of gravitas that has been provided by a lot of other people, over a long period of time and you owe it to all of them to act responsibly and respectfully, which several of you have failed miserably to do on this particular subject.

Sadly, I've ignored sound advice I've been given about, "never argue with fools", so I'm done . If your parents failed to teach you proper behavior, and you haven't figured out how to recognize it by this stage of your life, I'm sure as hell not capable or interested in correcting you. Either you get it, or you don't, but if you don't all the denial and BS is not going to make a difference or hide a lack of class.

[JRutledge]

amjc,

Here in lies the only problem.

If you do not like the nature of the discussions, you do not have to be here. No one is putting a gun to your head to be here. No one honestly cares if you are here just like they do not care if I am here.

I have said this several times, if you do not like the way the conversations go here, there are a few ways that will keep you happy. Because no on is going to change just because you are upset. I know I am not changing a damn thing. If someone wants to not be accused of anything, they never had to make the comments in the first place.

Peace

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by zebra295

Or does JRutDude come here to meet TXMike every night? Or does Hickland come here to meet JayBird every night? Or does ASDF come here to meet Snackwells (aka Snausages) because it doesn't hurt so much? Or does HLNC come here to meet "Mr(P)umpire of the night"?

Quite the fixation you seem to have. You should talk to someone about that. Really, before it affects your mental health, talk to a professional.