A look back to almost 5 years ago... OSU vs Miami

[sloth]

When you watch the YouTube videos its funny to see how a non-officil judges keys that most officials don't think much about. The first point them make is that a flag thrown 2-3 seconds after the play is less valid than one thrown before the ball hits the ground. Next, they are upset that the LJ doesn't have a flag when the FJ does. Little to they realize that is the FJ's key, not the LJ.

While my threshold for PI is a bit higher than the action in this play, I don't fault the official for the flag and would have thought really hard before holding onto my flag for this play.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by sloth

When you watch the YouTube videos its funny to see how a non-official judges keys that most officials don't think much about. The first point them make is that a flag thrown 2-3 seconds after the play is less valid than one thrown before the ball hits the ground. Next, they are upset that the LJ doesn't have a flag when the FJ does. Little to they realize that is the FJ's key, not the LJ.

While my threshold for PI is a bit higher than the action in this play, I don't fault the official for the flag and would have thought really hard before holding onto my flag for this play.

This is exactly why I posted the links.

FWIW, I think that the call was a great call - and hence why I purchased the poster!

[OverAndBack]

(This was almost six years ago, no? It was my understanding there would be no math.)

In my experience, we've been taught that an extra second to make sure before you throw the flag or signal the touchdown isn't a deal-breaker. Make sure, and if that takes an extra second, so be it.

So when they say there "might" have been a bit of a downgrade for a flag 2 or 3 seconds late, that tells me that's the outside edge of that envelope, at least in the court of public opinion.

I wasn't even an official at that stage of life (I didn't start doing hoops until the winter of 2003-2004 and didn't do football until the fall of 2004) and, as fans will, I thought, "Man, that's a late-*** flag."

Now I know that's not a really late flag, but just a tad tardy and that there's nothing wrong with that. And that the call was correct. So thanks for that. That's useful.

[JugglingReferee]

Yes, it was 6 years ago. I was wondering when someone would catch that.

At that time, I was still about 3 years from getting into the Canadian version of NCAA (so still have *lots* to learn) and when I saw that flag, I thought, "bad flag" like the announcer.

It took only one replay to see that the flag was correct.

[sj]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I thought........like the announcer.

Even if it was just for a fleeting moment it takes a strong individual to admit to something like this. : > )

[zm1283]

Horrible, awful, terrible call. I don't have enough adjectives to describe how bad that call was. When was he holding him while the ball was in the air? There was ZERO contact when the ball was in the air before it was touched. NONE. Go back and watch the first video. They zoom in and slow it down once the ball is released. If Porter wanted to throw the flag because of the "holding" at the line of scrimmage, why didn't he throw his flag then? Why did he wait 3 full seconds after the play was over (And probably 5+ after the "holding" at the line) before he threw the flag?

That was a crap call that stole a national championship. I don't referee football, just basketball, but at least I can admit it when I think a basketball official on TV has kicked a call. Why can't football officials do the same?

[TXMike]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Horrible, awful, terrible call. I don't have enough adjectives to describe how bad that call was. When was he holding him while the ball was in the air? There was ZERO contact when the ball was in the air before it was touched. NONE. Go back and watch the first video. They zoom in and slow it down once the ball is released. If Porter wanted to throw the flag because of the "holding" at the line of scrimmage, why didn't he throw his flag then? Why did he wait 3 full seconds after the play was over (And probably 5+ after the "holding" at the line) before he threw the flag?

That was a crap call that stole a national championship. I don't referee football, just basketball, but at least I can admit it when I think a basketball official on TV has kicked a call. Why can't football officials do the same?

We do point out mistakes WHEN THEY ARE MADE and if you spent any degree of time on our boards you would realize that. In fact, we do so so much that Referee magazine has even blasted us in a recent issue.

This is not a matter of ignoring a bad call, this is a matter of supporting a good call.

[OverAndBack]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Horrible, awful, terrible call. I don't have enough adjectives to describe how bad that call was. When was he holding him while the ball was in the air? There was ZERO contact when the ball was in the air before it was touched. NONE. Go back and watch the first video. They zoom in and slow it down once the ball is released. If Porter wanted to throw the flag because of the "holding" at the line of scrimmage, why didn't he throw his flag then? Why did he wait 3 full seconds after the play was over (And probably 5+ after the "holding" at the line) before he threw the flag?

That was a crap call that stole a national championship. I don't referee football, just basketball, but at least I can admit it when I think a basketball official on TV has kicked a call. Why can't football officials do the same?

Do football for a year. Then we'll talk.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Horrible, awful, terrible call. ............That was a crap call that stole a national championship. I don't referee football, just basketball, but at least I can admit it when I think a basketball official on TV has kicked a call. Why can't football officials do the same?

First, to even suggest that football officials are reluctant to criticize other football officials, suggests you don't read a lot of football official forums and are apparently prone to offering opinions where you have no relevant standing.

Second, as an official you should realize and understand the process ANY official, working any sport, should go through before assessing any foul or penalty situation and you lack credible experience to offer a crtique about a process you know nothing about.

Third, any "official" who thinks he is smart enough to criticize an official working a different sport, about the fine line application of a rule in a National Championship level game is either an egomaniac or a complete fool. There is no 3rd choice.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Horrible, awful, terrible call. I don't have enough adjectives to describe how bad that call was. When was he holding him while the ball was in the air? There was ZERO contact when the ball was in the air before it was touched. NONE. Go back and watch the first video. They zoom in and slow it down once the ball is released. If Porter wanted to throw the flag because of the "holding" at the line of scrimmage, why didn't he throw his flag then? Why did he wait 3 full seconds after the play was over (And probably 5+ after the "holding" at the line) before he threw the flag?

That was a crap call that stole a national championship. I don't referee football, just basketball, but at least I can admit it when I think a basketball official on TV has kicked a call. Why can't football officials do the same?

I won't be as sugary as the few above me:

You're wrong. It was a great call.

But, need I say more?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Horrible, awful, terrible call. I don't have enough adjectives to describe how bad that call was. When was he holding him while the ball was in the air? There was ZERO contact when the ball was in the air before it was touched. NONE. Go back and watch the first video. They zoom in and slow it down once the ball is released. If Porter wanted to throw the flag because of the "holding" at the line of scrimmage, why didn't he throw his flag then? Why did he wait 3 full seconds after the play was over (And probably 5+ after the "holding" at the line) before he threw the flag?

That was a crap call that stole a national championship. I don't referee football, just basketball, but at least I can admit it when I think a basketball official on TV has kicked a call. Why can't football officials do the same?

LOL! What complete and total . You're an embarassment to all basketball officials to make such statements.

Look at the photo below and tell me again "There was ZERO contact when the ball was in the air."



Now let's see if you have the balls to admit that you're wrong!

[JasonTX]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Horrible, awful, terrible call. I don't have enough adjectives to describe how bad that call was. When was he holding him while the ball was in the air? There was ZERO contact when the ball was in the air before it was touched. NONE. Go back and watch the first video. They zoom in and slow it down once the ball is released. If Porter wanted to throw the flag because of the "holding" at the line of scrimmage, why didn't he throw his flag then? Why did he wait 3 full seconds after the play was over (And probably 5+ after the "holding" at the line) before he threw the flag?

That was a crap call that stole a national championship. I don't referee football, just basketball, but at least I can admit it when I think a basketball official on TV has kicked a call. Why can't football officials do the same?

You didn't even have to tell us you don't officiate football. I can tell by your lack of knowledge regarding the the time it took for the flag to be thrown. You see, in football we don't throw our flag immediately upon seeing a live ball foul. We have guidelines for calling fouls such as advantage versus disadvantage. In this play there was holding, Porter waited to see if the defender gained an obvious advantage and it turned out the hold did put the receiver at a disadvantage so then the flag is thrown. Football officiating is totally different that what you do in basketball. In basketball, you cannot wait to see the whole play, and then decide to call a foul as the ball would probably be on the other end of the court. Football is not like that. We can and will wait a couple of seconds. We have plenty of time to see the play and go through the process of determining if what we saw fits the criteria of the rules and the philosophies under which we are there to enforce. Waiting that extra couple of seconds if very important in making sure we have foul. This is probably why we see a lot of incorrect foul calls in basketball because the official has to be quick. Imagine if you had a couple of seconds to think about what you saw. You'd probably get a lot more right like Porter did in his football game.