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Fan10 Sat Nov 22, 2008 02:55pm

Question About Declining A Penalty
 
Watching the Vandy/Tennessee game. Tennessee blocked a Vandy extra point, but Tennessee was offsides on the play. Vandy declined the penalty and re-kicked from the 3 (not sure why they didn't want to kick from the 1.5, but that's another discussion for another day). My question is this: If they declined the penalty, why were they allowed to re-kick?

dumbref Sat Nov 22, 2008 03:43pm

You may accept the penalty but decline the yardage associated with the penalty. I’m certain that’s what occurred. The theory is that the angle of the kick is worse from the 1.5 than the 3.

TXMike Sat Nov 22, 2008 04:58pm

And NCAA rules permit the team on offense the option of having the ball placed anywhere behind the 3 yard line if they choose it before the ready for play whistle. So if they wanted to adjust the angel even more or give their receivers more room to work, they could snap from any yard line behind the 3

dumbref Sat Nov 22, 2008 05:32pm

Fed also allows adjustment between the inbound marks prior to the ready but not the yardline. Interesting difference I did not know about.

SethPDX Sat Nov 22, 2008 06:37pm

But if they wanted to kick on the try, wouldn't they place the ball on the mark in the middle of the field? That would eliminate kicking from an angle.

TXMike Sat Nov 22, 2008 06:41pm

Most kickers are head cases anyway so who knows what they are thinking?

dumbref Sat Nov 22, 2008 06:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SethPDX (Post 552508)
But if they wanted to kick on the try, wouldn't they place the ball on the mark in the middle of the field? That would eliminate kicking from an angle.

I hope AB will jump into this part of it. He's our resident kicking coach!

JugglingReferee Sat Nov 22, 2008 07:29pm

Canadian Ruling
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fan10 (Post 552482)
Watching the Vandy/Tennessee game. Tennessee blocked a Vandy extra point, but Tennessee was offsides on the play. Vandy declined the penalty and re-kicked from the 3 (not sure why they didn't want to kick from the 1.5, but that's another discussion for another day). My question is this: If they declined the penalty, why were they allowed to re-kick?

CANADIAN RULING:

Team A gets to repeat the convert from the same spot and apply the 5 yards on the subsequent or induced KO, or move up half-the-distance on the convert, and if there isone, have the KO from the usual spot.

Also, why do you say that a player went "offsides". How can a player, who is an individual (ie. singular) be "offsides". Isn't a player "offside", rather? Why do you pluralize offside? I believe that it is incorrect grammar to do so.

Robert Goodman Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:55pm

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Originally Posted by dumbref (Post 552511)
I hope AB will jump into this part of it. He's our resident kicking coach!

Believe it or not, some teams prefer to spot the ball on the 10 yd. line chalk so they have a visual to make the length of the snap exactly what they want.

Fan10 Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:54am

You learn something new every day. I didn't know that you could refuse the yardage but take the penalty. I guess I've never seen that happen before. Thanks guys.

bossman72 Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:15am

is that true in NFHS as well?

Theisey Mon Nov 24, 2008 08:46am

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Originally Posted by bossman72 (Post 552716)
is that true in NFHS as well?

absolutely.

Welpe Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SethPDX (Post 552508)
But if they wanted to kick on the try, wouldn't they place the ball on the mark in the middle of the field? That would eliminate kicking from an angle.

What Mike said plus...I've had teams request the ball be placed on the hash to run a normal scrimmage play instead of kicking.

GPC2 Mon Nov 24, 2008 01:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by TXMike (Post 552495)
And NCAA rules permit the team on offense the option of having the ball placed anywhere behind the 3 yard line if they choose it before the ready for play whistle. So if they wanted to adjust the angel even more or give their receivers more room to work, they could snap from any yard line behind the 3

Are you saying that A could choose to play the Try from the 10-yard line if they wanted to?

ajmc Mon Nov 24, 2008 01:59pm

Don't know about NCAA, but under the NFHS code, (NF: 8.3.1) "After a TD, the scoring team shall attempt a try during which the ball is snapped from a spot designated by A anywhere between the inbounds lines on B's 3 yard line unless moved by penalty.


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