High Stepping in the Orange Bowl
 

So Kansas gets flagged for "high stepping" by the Big Ten guys when the SEC crew last night overlooks a dive into the end zone at the Fiesta Bowl.

Can we have some consistency here?

Sure, you're consistently whining. You've GOT to be a coach.

The "dive" was by a runner trying to beat a defender to the goal line. Gotta let those go.

I would concede your point if it were not for the Big Ten flagging the same play.

But the larger point is not so much to criticize the officials as to ask for consistency in the rule.

A body flip into the end zone and excessive celebration AFTER the score ought to be discouraged.

Highstepping or diving INTO the end zone is not worth penalizing.

The rule as it stands is ripe for inconsistency.

It was not the "same" play and if you are unable to differentiate between the two then it is a good thing you are not reffing football.

The highstepping here is a great call.

No, it was worse. A player diving between TWO defenders in the biggest game of the season. And it was flagged.

What don't you understand about NCAA rule 9-2-1-a-1-e?
You do have a rule book right or maybe it's too many characters for you to index into?

I think all calls and non-calls todate have been just PERFECT!

I'd be even willing to go out on the limb and say that come Monday
evening we'll see none of these calls because by now those player and coaching staff are finally seeing the NCAA means business by these calls being made in just about every bowl game played so far.

You might want to show the rule book to all the officials since the calls are never consistent.

But, if you could read my posts and try to process them, you would understand my objection is not to the officials but to the rule which, in a word, is stupid.

How you can state this and then claim that you're not complaining about the officials is incomprensible. If there is one constant about you it is that you always complain about the officials. It's been everything from instant replay rulings to now complaining about enforcement of taunting and celebration rules.

If you heeded your own advice, read the posts here and took the time to understand what's being said you might actually learn something.

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That is not going to happen because he is a troll and you guys keep feeding him. He does the very same thing on the baseball board. Just ignore him and he will eventually go away. ;)

Peace

If you care to read and comprehend then do so.

If not,choose ignore.

Can't read, can you?

As Mike said, the player who dove into the end zone did so to avoid being tackled. PERFECTLY LEGAL!!!!!

Hot dogging is USC. Avoiding a tackle is not. That is consistent. You just aren't able to understand it.

JRut is right. This guy's a troll and is going on my Ignore list. I encourage others to do the same.

If I may borrow from Forrest Gump, Are you just dumb or stupid! You actually think the officials at the level you are watching right now do not read over and over and over and over the rules in the NCAA football book? That is a kick in the teeth of these fine men if you do. They take test after test, have 2" thick binders of mechanics to commit to memory, review film after film every week after the season starts not to mention before the season start.

You have no idea that these folks start doing this as early as March of the next season! These guys are not even full time officials but they put in hours and hours at this prior to the start of the season.
Stop your whinning and complaining, maybe you'll learn somthing.

We don't care what you think of a rule. We DO care about your habitual bashing of officials or your opinion of replay to correct possible errors. You really don't have a clue about college football officiating. Give it up, go start your own forum of football complainers!:mad: get out of this one

No, the rule is stupid and leads to inconsistent enforcement.
The same play let go by the SEC is flagged by the Big Ten.

Well, I've got him on IGNORE now so I can't see his latest post. But I'd bet a game fee that this reply was just as stupid as his initial post. Am I right?

...calls are never consistent.

This cop-out sounds like the comments of a disgruntled coach, who is getting thumped.

You are right.

The point is obvious.

Jimpiano is strangely reminiscent of a troll on another board. Can someone contact a moderator and persuade them to show this guy the door?

Where is all this talk of inconsistency coming from piano? Would you please post the written rules that you are comparing so that we can see what you are talking about. Also, can you put both plays that you are talking about so that we can see the play? Do you even know what the rule says? Perhaps there is a reason something was flagged in one game and not the other. If you just don't like the way the rules are written then why the hell are you on an officiating forum? Haven't you learned by now that officials are NOT part of the rule making process? You need to move on to a coaches board and complain to them because they ARE involved in process.

It's just that his kind of attitude needs to be taken to the sports talk shows where the uninformed-mr-tough-guy-sports-fan approach to communicating is what they want.

One player dove into the end zone because he wanted to make sure he scored, rising to the challenge posed by the opponents' play, trying to achieve the object of the game. The other player goose stepped into the end zone to deliberately make it harder for him to score, saying, "Look, I'm scoring even though I'm walking funny!", dissing the opponents while flouting the object of the game. Can't you distinguish the latter as unsportsmanlike versus the former as sporting?

Robert

Trying to prevent a kid from breaking his neck is not a stupid intent for a rule.

As for enforcement, wide open diving would merit a flag. Diving to avoid a defender is not worthy of a flag. Officials are paid to be able to discern the difference. Looks like they get it right most of the time.

I do not know that anyone has made that claim. But since this is being brought up, the intent of the rule has nothing to do with safety. If that was the case then all diving under any circumstances would be illegal.

If this was a safety issue (only) then I would see diving over a player as more dangerous. At the very least when players are diving to showboat, they are not doing so with 200 pound players hitting them in the process while running at full speed.

Peace

I totally agree. The problem is consistency. The SEC let the dive go....but in a Michigan/OSU game a receiver catching a pass at the five and between two defenders gets a flag for diving into the end zone.

It is perfectly understandable to penalize a player doing a front flip into the end zone the same with wide open diving. But diving to avoid defenders?

Excessive celebration connotes actions AFTER the score, not making the score. This is not to say that taunting or finger pointing on the way to paydirt should be ignored. But diving and high stepping? The rulesmakers need to get a grip.

Diving to avoid a defender is not a foul. If you dive and are unnopposed then that is illegal. In all the bowl games thus far and all the flags that have been thrown or not thrown I would agree with all but one non-call. I'm not sure of the actual numbers but a good guess would be about 10 Unsportsmanlike calls. So, if an official missed 1 of those that's pretty good as far as consistency go. Missing 1 out of 10 is pretty darn good.

And a grade of 90 gets you an "A" in most universities. Get all 90's and you graduate Summa Cum Laude.

Darn good officials in this game!

90's may get you cum laude or magna cum laude, but it takes more than that, in most institutions that take their honors seriously, to graduate summa cum laude.

An A gives you a 4.0....doesn't matter whether it was 93, 95, 97, or 100. A 4.0 is a 4.0. And, Summa is (I believe) anything greater than 3.85.

1. Here is what I responded to: ...a grade of 90 gets you an "A" in most universities. Get all 90's and you graduate Summa Cum Laude.

2. A 90 does not get an A in many Universities. At the two my sons attended, an A- took 93%.

3. I don't believe there is a universally accepted breakdown of cum laude, magna cum laude and summa cum laude. I know of instances where different individuals, both earning 4.0's, received different levels of honor, or "praise" recognition; one received magna and the other received summa.

4. I meant only an academic observation and really didn't intent to start an argument. I agree with your basic premise...it was good officiating.

I understand. I almost didn't respond but was having a little bit of "nit picky" fun.

There was pretty good officiating all around this bowl season. I really liked them making all the UNC calls in the various bowl games because it's been made very, very clear that high stepping, flipping, and all that kind of crap won't be tolerated.

Have a GREAT offseason!