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txrefcshou Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:19pm

snap
 
Tonight we had a center start the snap it hit his knee and he picked it up.:eek: NCAA

TXMike Fri Oct 19, 2007 04:36am

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Originally Posted by txrefcshou
Tonight we had a center start the snap it hit his knee and he picked it up.:eek:

ANd what did you do?

txrefcshou Fri Oct 19, 2007 07:16am

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Originally Posted by TXMike
ANd what did you do?

I called it a bad snap, and got no arguement.:)

TXMike Fri Oct 19, 2007 07:18am

Nor should you have received any argument

txrefcshou Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:05am

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Originally Posted by TXMike
Nor should you have received any argument


Mike last night when it happened I called it that way, a partner said it was wrong, and I told him it might be but tonight this is the way it is. Have not found any rule support for my case, do you have a rule or in a casebook.

Ref Ump Welsch Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:11am

The center was just being a mother hen, picking up her own egg and protecting it! :p

Warrenkicker Fri Oct 19, 2007 03:48pm

3-4-6 The ball remains dead and a down is not begun if a snap or free-kick is attempted before the ball is ready for play, or there is an illegal snap, other snap infraction or a dead-ball foul occurs.

2-40-2 The snap begins when the snapper first moves the ball legally other than in adjustment. In a snap, the movement must be a quick and continuous backward motion of the ball during which the ball immediately leaves the hand(s) of the snapper and touches a back or the ground before it touches an A lineman.

So in the original situation the ball hit a lineman, the snapper's knee, before it touched a back or the ground so it was an illegal snap.

raiderfan Fri Oct 19, 2007 04:26pm

So in the original situation the ball hit a lineman, the snapper's knee, before it touched a back or the ground so it was an illegal snap.[/QUOTE]

Would this be a 5 yd penalty against A / repeat the down / clock start at the ready ?

txrefcshou Sat Oct 20, 2007 01:46am

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Originally Posted by Warrenkicker
3-4-6 The ball remains dead and a down is not begun if a snap or free-kick is attempted before the ball is ready for play, or there is an illegal snap, other snap infraction or a dead-ball foul occurs.

2-40-2 The snap begins when the snapper first moves the ball legally other than in adjustment. In a snap, the movement must be a quick and continuous backward motion of the ball during which the ball immediately leaves the hand(s) of the snapper and touches a back or the ground before it touches an A lineman.

So in the original situation the ball hit a lineman, the snapper's knee, before it touched a back or the ground so it was an illegal snap.

Sorry it was NCAA. we have no 2-40-2 but that is a good one.

dumbref Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:02pm

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Originally Posted by raiderfan
So in the original situation the ball hit a lineman, the snapper's knee, before it touched a back or the ground so it was an illegal snap.

Would this be a 5 yd penalty against A / repeat the down / clock start at the ready ?[/QUOTE]

NF - It’s a dead ball foul, the clock will revert to its status after the previous play.

Warrenkicker Mon Oct 22, 2007 08:06am

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Originally Posted by txrefcshou
Sorry it was NCAA. we have no 2-40-2 but that is a good one.

I should have known that.


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