Illegal Substitution or Nothing?
NFHS Rules
We had this question come up the other night. Between downs, there are 11 players in huddle while QB (A11) is over by sideline getting play from coach. QB heads toward the huddle, and A23 heads for the sidelines, we don't ever get 12 in the huddle. We were discussing this, and some of the issues that came up included
This just seems to leave a funny taste in the mouth. |
This is one of those situations that technically is illegal but I would "never" throw a flag. Since the intent is never to have the QB be a replaced player the 11th player in the huddle constitutes 12 players on the field.
I would let this go once and have a word with the coach. Only if the team persists would "never" end. |
To me this is a legal play as a player leaves the huddle before the qb comes back. There is never 12 in the huddle and the defense can clearly see this. What rule says this is illegal.
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Assuming that the QB was in for the prior play and just went over to talk to the sideline between plays, how did the huddle come to have 11 people--without him there?? Were there 12 on the prior play? Or, did someone report in without your seeing him? Unless someone told the QB he was being replaced, there's no reason for you to consider him a "replaced player." |
This is probably a flag. The QB didn't leave the field, so he's not a replaced player.
ASSUMING that you didn't have 12 players on the previous play, a substitute had to come from the sideline. If you have 11 in the huddle for any length of time (3-5 seconds), that means a replaced player did not leave. And that makes it a foul. Whether you had 12 or 29 in the huddle, it makes not difference. The only thing you look at is did the replaced player fail to leave. |
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You could have 11 in the huddle and the qb on the sideline. The subsitute going into the huddle could be a sub for 1 of two players in the game based on the next played called and how the players are feeling. the replaced player does not need to tell which player he is replacing right away. as long as the replaced player leaves before the qb comes back into the huddle there is no foul.
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you are right that when he is notified that he is a replaced player he has to leave immed. But he is not a replaced player until 2.32.12 he is notified by the sub that he is replaced. I said in my note that he did not know yet who he was replacing.
I think common sense should prevail. |
Why look for reasons to throw a flag for an inconsequential occurrence? As we are constantly reminded around here...
"Is this the flag you want on film for all to see and your reputation as an official to be made?" |
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