2nd USC on Try

golfdesigner · #1 (**permalink**) Sun Aug 26, 2007, 12:18pm

Saw this one last night, and I want to make sure it was properly administered:
A scored TD and both teams lined up for try. Nose-guard b61 smarted off to U and R, and got flag for his second USC flag for the night. Two usc fouls, 61 got the rest of the night off plus next week too.

Where is enforcement.

After a few posts, I'll post what they did.

[Fed Rules: Added after TXMike's response]

TXMike · #2 (**permalink**) Sun Aug 26, 2007, 12:38pm

NCAA -
If the foul was after the RFP, it has to be enforced on the try. If before the RFP then the offensed team can take on try or KO. Must have been Fed as there is not 1 game suspension in NCAA for "simple" 2 UC DQ's.

MJT · #3 (**permalink**) Sun Aug 26, 2007, 02:23pm

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Originally Posted by golfdesigner

Saw this one last night, and I want to make sure it was properly administered:
A scored TD and both teams lined up for try. Nose-guard b61 smarted off to U and R, and got flag for his second USC flag for the night. Two usc fouls, 61 got the rest of the night off plus next week too.

Where is enforcement.

After a few posts, I'll post what they did.

[Fed Rules: Added after TXMike's response]

All USC fouls must be administered from the SSpot so if the snap had not yet occurred, you have a DB USC and it must be enforced on the try. There are no other options if that is how it happened.

dvasques · #4 (**permalink**) Sun Aug 26, 2007, 05:54pm

about that but not that much about that, on a succesful Try there's an offside. Do we give the offense the option to have it enforced on a re-Try or on the kickoff and they decide?

TXMike · #5 (**permalink**) Sun Aug 26, 2007, 06:05pm

NOt sure about the NFL but in NCAA, they can't carry that over to the KO. They either enforce and go for 2 or they decline

dvasques · #6 (**permalink**) Sun Aug 26, 2007, 06:16pm

thanks, mike. The game I played yesterday had this going but the other team declined the penalty so... It just got me thinking

yankeesfan · #7 (**permalink**) Sun Aug 26, 2007, 10:48pm

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Originally Posted by dvasques

about that but not that much about that, on a succesful Try there's an offside. Do we give the offense the option to have it enforced on a re-Try or on the kickoff and they decide?

dont you blow dead a false start? how does the play get off for them to even have this option?

MadCityRef · #8 (**permalink**) Sun Aug 26, 2007, 11:04pm

2 USCs? He yelled at the U and then yelled at the R? What?

dvasques · #9 (**permalink**) Sun Aug 26, 2007, 11:11pm

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Originally Posted by yankeesfan

dont you blow dead a false start? how does the play get off for them to even have this option?

you blow dead a false start, but not an offside

Ed Maeder · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Aug 27, 2007, 01:27am

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Originally Posted by dvasques

you blow dead a false start, but not an offside

Confused? What is an offside? There is no such foul, that is announcer talk. If you mean encroachment it is also a dead ball foul in NFHS, and stopped before the play happens. In the original post MJT hit the nail on the head.

TXMike · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Aug 27, 2007, 04:17am

There IS offside in NCAA rules. dvasques is using NFL rules and they may have offside also.

MJT · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Aug 27, 2007, 08:41am

NFL rules have offsides like NCAA if they are using NFL rules.

dvasques · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Aug 27, 2007, 01:09pm

sorry for the confusion
didn't know there's no offside in NFHS

Robert Goodman · #14 (**permalink**) Mon Aug 27, 2007, 03:42pm

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Originally Posted by MJT

NFL rules have offsides like NCAA if they are using NFL rules.

Last I checked, NFL had both offsides & encroachment.

"Encroachment" has had a couple of meanings to distinguish it from "offsides" in USAn codes that have both. One type of encroachment is a foul by a player of either A or B who, since the ball was made RFP, was never onside during the interval that ends when the ball is put in play. AIUI (please correct me if I'm wrong), under current NCAA rules that foul should never be called because a delay of game call would intercede.

The other type of encroachment is a foul wherein an offside player makes contact with an opponent or the ball while it is ready for play. NFL has one additional type of encroachment, wherein an offside player of B is on A's side of the neutral zone in a scrimmage situation and advancing "unabated", such that team A would obviously not benefit, other than via the penalty, from being allowed to put the ball in play; it saves them the trouble of snapping the ball and getting their QB smeared to get a 5 yard penalty.

Certain other fouls can be committed by offside players for infractions in or on the other side of the neutral zone, and penalized as illegal procedure -- shifting thru the neutral zone or repeatedly charging into the neutral zone. At least I think those are counted as illegal procedure and not offsides.

Robert