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Snap is part of Loose Ball Play???
I can see where a Long Snap would be considered a backward pass and part of a Loose Ball Play, but not the normal snap from Center to QB. The ball is never loose!!! It may be considered to be a "Handed ball" but according to "Football Fundamentals" part VII PASSES, 3; "A handed ball is not a pass."
I find nothing in the book that says a snap is considered a backward pass. Help me out! JimO. |
Rule 2-40, the definition of a snap says "the legal act of passing or handing the ball backward from its position on the ground." So, the normal snap would be the handing and a shotgun snap would be the passing.
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Agreed, after a quick look I can't find anything in Fed Rules about it. NCAA is a little different,
NCAA Rule 2-23-c c. If, during any backward motion of a legal snap, the ball slips from the snapper's hand, it becomes a backward pass and is in play. In Europe, we use NCAA, but on the occasional visit to the USA I do get to work some Fed ball and have to bone up on my out-of-date Fed Rules knowledge. Is there any practical difference between how I would cover a fumble that is loose on the ground and a backward pass that is loose on the ground? |
2007 nfhs rules by topics page 95. A snap is a backward pass.
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Question #13 on the NFHS test.... "The snap is considered to be a backward pass and part of a loose-ball play."
True or False??? In the NFHS rule book I finally found the answer, after looking all afternoon. Rule 10-3-1 "... A lose-ball play is action during: c. A backward pass (including the snap), illegal kick or fumble......" This doesn't clarify if it's refering to a "long snap" or simply a regular snap, so I'm assuming that Question #13 is true. JimO. |
Andy and Oz... read my post above. The definition of a snap says it can be passing or handing.
Now, it is obvious that a shotgun snap is the "pass" and if a regular "QB under the center" snap is not the "handing," what is? Let's look at some definitions. 2-40, A snap is the legal act of passing or handing the ball backward from its position on the ground. 2-31-1, Passing the ball is throwing a ball that is in player possession. In a pass, the ball travels in flight. 2-19-1, Handing the ball is transferring player possession from one player to a teammate in such a way that the ball is still in contact with the first player when it is touched by the teammate. Handing the ball is not a pass. Loss of player possession by unsuccessful execution of attempted handing is a fumble. So, in a QB under the center snap, the ball is not thrown, but handed, so in that type of snap you do not have a BWPass. As stated above it is different in NCAA in that they consider the loss of control of a hand to hand snap a BWP. |
The snap is considered to be a backward pass and part of a loose-ball play.
If you want to get the question right, you'd better answer TRUE. |
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Sorry MJT but the NFHS doesn't agree with you.
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NFHS doesn't agree with itself in many cases! I'm with MJT on this one.
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2-40, A snap is the legal act of passing or handing the ball backward from its position on the ground. 2-31-1, Passing the ball is throwing a ball that is in player possession. In a pass, the ball travels in flight. 2-19-1, Handing the ball is transferring player possession from one player to a teammate in such a way that the ball is still in contact with the first player when it is touched by the teammate. Handing the ball is not a pass. Loss of player possession by unsuccessful execution of attempted handing is a fumble. |
Agreed MJT. Regardless of the answer key, we can't go (totally) wrong by using rule references and especially Rule 2!
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MJT - you might want to continue looking. I don't have my books with me, but I'm sure there is a statement in the rule book that states that a snap is considered a backward pass. Maybe under Fundamental Statements?
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As a matter of fact the Fundamentals state in VII 3. "A handed ball is not a pass."
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