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2 fouls on scrimmage kick play
A has the ball 4th and 8 at the A's 40. A kicks the ball. During the kick, B50 holds at the B's 40. After the ball is dead, B35 has a late hit at the B's 30 yd line.
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Canadian Ruling
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I will assume that B50's hold was while the ball was airborne. In the Canadian game, we need to know where the Point of Possession (PP) was. This is the worse of Point of First Touch (PFT) or Point of Actual Possession (PAP) of the team that legally gains possession of the ball. The hold (10y) will be applied from this spot. The dead ball UR (15y) can be applied from the same spot as the hold (hold accepted) or Point Ball Dead (PBD, hold declined). In the OP, the PP and PBD were not given. Both of these spots are needed to accurately give a result. |
MJT has the correct enforcement for both codes.
To be technically correct, there is only ONE foul on the scrimmage kick play. That being the hold by team-B. Your second foul, is after the scrimmage kick play is over, i.e. during the dead ball period. Net, you have a live ball foul followed by a dead ball foul by the same team. The penalties are enforced seperately and in the order they occurred |
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Since the hold was during the kick, don't we still need to know where the kick ended so that we can determine to either enforce from the end of kick or spot of the foul? Or, are you assuming the kick ended at the same spot the ball became dead? Not enough info in the original play situation unless I am missing something. |
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I guess what we are saying is that Forksref needs to chime back in with more information for an educated answer. Where did the kick end, and maybe use K and R to reference which team you are referring to. Without that information we are just guessing.
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REPLY: Once we know where the kick ends (a critical piece of the puzzle), NCAA and Federation rulings will be identical.
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Perhaps the intent of this question can be summed up by
1) are both fouls by B enforced? 2) does B get to keep the ball? rather than being concerned with exactly where the ball will end up. the answer to both is "yes". |
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So now the PFT-PAP business covers cases where the player accidentally knocks it to himself? Robert |
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