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Time2Ref Sat Jan 06, 2007 09:30am

Block in the Back away from the Play?
 
Many of you have probably seen this from the other forum, but in case you didn't:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLEs8zWCizU

All seriousness aside, it makes me laugh.

TXMike Sat Jan 06, 2007 09:50am

What part of it makes you laugh? The fact that one of our own is showing his arse for the world to see and who, if someone desired, could possible be charged with assault , or sued?

Rich Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:15am

It's beautiful, as far as I'm concerned. Get the **** off the field.

JugglingReferee Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:43am

Had a V game this year where the coaches were warned about encroaching the field.

So on a sweep to my side, as LJ, I take a few steps upfield and there he is again - dumb coach. I have about a half-step to get out of the way. I didn't take it. Hit him, flagged him.

Rich Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
Had a V game this year where the coaches were warned about encroaching the field.

So on a sweep to my side, as LJ, I take a few steps upfield and there he is again - dumb coach. I have about a half-step to get out of the way. I didn't take it. Hit him, flagged him.

The only thing that would've made the video better is the linesman/line judge tossing a flag in the air after hitting each coach while going by.

Coaches that are on the field like that are putting my wings in danger. That's what they don't get -- we're there to work and I don't want to have to worry about having to slalom around coaches while running IN BOUNDS.

Time2Ref Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:38pm

First year doing H.S. for me. I have tried almost everything to learn to manage the sideline. I know you have to start early in the game.

One JV game, in the first quarter, the coaches are trying to claim their territory on the PLAYER'S field. First one step on the field, then two. I look down the line and three coaches are a couple steps on the field. I look across to the other sideline and no coaches are on the field. So I say to the "get back" coach, "Look at the other sideline. Do you see any of their coaches on the field? You're guys have to get off the field!" They all move back and I'm thinking I'm a great communicator.

A few plays later, this assistant comes running up to me and says "Look over there NOW, they're ALL on the field!". That day, I learned something new NOT to say to them. LOL

TXMike Sat Jan 06, 2007 01:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser
The only thing that would've made the video better is the linesman/line judge tossing a flag in the air after hitting each coach while going by.

Coaches that are on the field like that are putting my wings in danger. That's what they don't get -- we're there to work and I don't want to have to worry about having to slalom around coaches while running IN BOUNDS.

You can (and should) have the flag without the intentional contact by the lard arse official. That is BS on the part of that official and has no place on football field, even at the pee wee level.

GarthB Sat Jan 06, 2007 01:37pm

A cheap shot in the back is not an example of good sideline control, and, at least at the camps I've attended, not a recommended mechanic.

Forksref Sat Jan 06, 2007 02:38pm

I have run into coaches before, but not intentionally. Anytime I make contact with a coach who is ON the field during a play there is a flag!

Rich Sat Jan 06, 2007 02:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by TXMike
You can (and should) have the flag without the intentional contact by the lard arse official. That is BS on the part of that official and has no place on football field, even at the pee wee level.

My, my, aren't we just a bit too serious.

Rich Sat Jan 06, 2007 02:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GarthB
A cheap shot in the back is not an example of good sideline control, and, at least at the camps I've attended, not a recommended mechanic.

Another one who can't just laugh at the video. Why am I not surprised?

C'mon, now. A serious official would never do something like this, but WANT to? Sure. So why not laugh when someone does it?

Time2Ref Sat Jan 06, 2007 03:44pm

Exactly. That is why I wrote "ALL SERIOUSNESS ASIDE, I think its funny".

Anyone can plainly see that the whole crew in the video is lame. The BJ got beat by a mile. Obviously, the Wing didn't work properly with the sideline coaches in the first quarter. You won't be seeing these guys in the State Finals. Hopefully, you won't be seeing these guys in ANY games in your state.

But, funny? I think so.

Its off-season. Its OK to laugh every once and a while. If you can't laugh, maybe you should add some fiber to your diet. (that's a joke too! LOL) That's not me in the video. Its not you, is it?

Ref inSoCA Sat Jan 06, 2007 05:47pm

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Originally Posted by Time2Ref
...

One JV game, in the first quarter, the coaches are trying to claim their territory on the PLAYER'S field....

No, it's not the players' field, it's YOUR field. Keep the coaches off of it.

I have done this is the past and will do it again, plus flag him.

TXMike Sat Jan 06, 2007 06:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser
Another one who can't just laugh at the video. Why am I not surprised?

C'mon, now. A serious official would never do something like this, but WANT to? Sure. So why not laugh when someone does it?


Like it or not...we all wear the same uniform. What one dumb arse does reflects on ALL of us. This is NOT funny. Maybe once you have been involved in a serious issue involving something like this you will learn that.

Rich Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by TXMike
Like it or not...we all wear the same uniform. What one dumb arse does reflects on ALL of us. This is NOT funny. Maybe once you have been involved in a serious issue involving something like this you will learn that.

Somehow I think that only officials think this way. There are bad people in every profession or avocation. It doesn't reflect greatly on me as a person or as an official. When I show up and show professionalism and respect and expect it in return, it makes guys like this irrelevant. These guys wouldn't even be on my field if I was the wing -- I'd have taken control of that long ago.

I've been involved in just about every situation out there in the past 20 years, including multiple police escorts and threats and even being chased out of town. Forgive me for not being so emotional about it.

I'm still laughing at the video.

Ed Hickland Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:38am

There should have been a flag.

It speaks volumes about integrity when an official oversteps their authority as in this case. I don't want to be pushed and if you do expect an ejection and a write-up and maybe even a call from the local police department.

Therefore, I should not push unless absolutely necessary and in this case it did not look necessary.

A few seasons ago I did a junior high game where security was lacking. On a long run down the sideline a parent stepped out on the field to see the run right in front of me with no choice but to run over the guy. I got the worst of it because a player who had been blocked took out my legs and it was head over heels.

Since then anytime a player, coach, parents, etc. steps on the field there is a flag. If it is a parent I hope they parked their car so they can see the field because they will be tossed.

Trap Mon Jan 08, 2007 01:37pm

Shouldn't be an official
 
It was humorous,in a sad way, but the guy obviously shouldn't be an official. To go up and down the line hitting people is inappropriate. Also it appears from a physical status, he is incapable of keeping up with the play and being in position. It think its time for a retirement celebration party. JMO

Rich Mon Jan 08, 2007 02:01pm

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Originally Posted by Trap
It was humorous,in a sad way, but the guy obviously shouldn't be an official. To go up and down the line hitting people is inappropriate. Also it appears from a physical status, he is incapable of keeping up with the play and being in position. It think its time for a retirement celebration party. JMO

Very few wing officials in a 5-man or less crew can outrun a running back who's broken one north-to-south. If only those that could do this were allowed to officiate, we'd have quite a few empty fields.

There was a kickoff return in the NFL for a TD in the Dallas/Seattle game on Sunday and by the time the returner crossed the goal line, the closest official was 25-30 yards away. They should all quit too, huh?

Also, maybe the guy in the video would keep up better if all those idiots would stay out of his way.


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