IS or IP?

[MJT]

Just because he does not make the tackle or throw a block does not mean he did not participate. If hinders an opponent or draws coverage it is also IP. If ANY team A player even went out of his way to maybe block B76, he should be considered to have participated as his actions caused a reaction (drawing coverage) by the other team. Since you cannot necessarily see all of A's actions, since he changes his direction and runs toward the receiver, I think you ding him with DP. It would have been IS if he paused, but kept going towards his sideline.

It is definitly not a dead ball IS. You should call that on the defense if they none of the 12 are trying to get off the field just before the snap, but not if someone is trying to get off the field.

[waltjp]

Sounds like IP to me. He moved toward the play.

[mcrowder]

It was IP BEFORE he moved toward the play, and then became super-secret-double-probation IP after he moved.

IS can only be applied in a situation like this if the player in question had NO POSSIBLE EFFECT on the play.

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

It was IP BEFORE he moved toward the play, and then became super-secret-double-probation IP after he moved.

IS can only be applied in a situation like this if the player in question had NO POSSIBLE EFFECT on the play.

Interesting to see a toga with the number 76 on it. Go Deltas!

[dumbref]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

It was IP BEFORE he moved toward the play, and then became super-secret-double-probation IP after he moved.

IS can only be applied in a situation like this if the player in question had NO POSSIBLE EFFECT on the play.

Would you call a block in the back because he possibly blocked in the back. Why should we call IP because he possibly had an effect on the play? Shouldn’t we have to see what that effect was before calling IP?

[cougar729]

Because 9-6-3 says...

No replaced player or substitute shall hinder an opponent, touch the ball, influence the play or otherwise participate.

I think you are giving him the benefit of the doubt in the first place if you allow him to get to the sideline and not have IS, when he is still on the field at the snap, especially if he made a half-hearted attempt to get off.

I say that he influences the play by being on the field, near the ball

[dumbref]

Originally Posted by cougar729

Because 9-6-3 says...

No replaced player or substitute shall hinder an opponent, touch the ball, influence the play or otherwise participate.

I think you are giving him the benefit of the doubt in the first place if you allow him to get to the sideline and not have IS, when he is still on the field at the snap, especially if he made a half-hearted attempt to get off.

I say that he influences the play by being on the field, near the ball

My question, is what tangible effect or influence did he have on the play? The QB did not alter his throw, the receiver did not change his route, he did not hamper the catch, he did not effect the tackle, no one tried to block him or avoid him to make a block.

[Bob M.]

REPLY: The fact that B76 began a (late) pursuit of the runner--even though he never reached him--is enough for me to make this an IP foul. If he continued to his team box and no one reacted to him, I would most likely have left it an IS foul.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by dumbref

My question, is what tangible effect or influence did he have on the play? The QB did not alter his throw, the receiver did not change his route, he did not hamper the catch, he did not effect the tackle, no one tried to block him or avoid him to make a block.

Are you trying to tell us that pursuing the runner is not participating?

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by dumbref

Would you call a block in the back because he possibly blocked in the back. Why should we call IP because he possibly had an effect on the play? Shouldn’t we have to see what that effect was before calling IP?

Bad analogy. No, I would not call BIB because he possibly BIB'd.

But the penalty is not called Illegal Having An Affect On The Play. It's called Illegal Participation. And if there is ANY chance that this player affected ANY PART of the play, then he has participated in that play, thus Illegal participation.