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Sun Sep 24, 2006, 05:17pm
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IS or IP?
Saw a play Friday night I’ll try to describe. A is in a no huddle hurry up offense with the LOS about A’s 40. R maintained his rhythm in giving the ready. Just before R gave the ready, B sends 2 subs onto the field. The first substitution was made with no problem. The second had to go to the far side of the field, notified his player (B76) who began leaving the field immediately but with no sense of urgency. The ball is snapped with B76 near the inbound marks nearest his team box on A’s 45. A throws a completed pass near the 50 on B’s sideline with B76 still ambling along at A’s 45 about the top of the numbers now. B76, seeing the pass completion, actually pauses for a half a second, then changes direction and begins running toward the receiver. B27 makes the tackle at the 50 and B76 pulls up, then continues to the team box. B76 did not hit anyone or hinder anyone’s path to the ball but was in a position to make the tackle had B27 not.
IS (dead or live) or IP? What would you call?
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Sun Sep 24, 2006, 05:28pm
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Just because he does not make the tackle or throw a block does not mean he did not participate. If hinders an opponent or draws coverage it is also IP. If ANY team A player even went out of his way to maybe block B76, he should be considered to have participated as his actions caused a reaction (drawing coverage) by the other team. Since you cannot necessarily see all of A's actions, since he changes his direction and runs toward the receiver, I think you ding him with DP. It would have been IS if he paused, but kept going towards his sideline.
It is definitly not a dead ball IS. You should call that on the defense if they none of the 12 are trying to get off the field just before the snap, but not if someone is trying to get off the field. Last edited by MJT; Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 05:36pm.
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Mon Sep 25, 2006, 02:36pm
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It was IP BEFORE he moved toward the play, and then became super-secret-double-probation IP after he moved.
IS can only be applied in a situation like this if the player in question had NO POSSIBLE EFFECT on the play.
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Mon Sep 25, 2006, 02:59pm
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Interesting to see a toga with the number 76 on it. Go Deltas!
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Mon Sep 25, 2006, 03:34pm
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Tue Sep 26, 2006, 01:08am
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Because 9-6-3 says...
No replaced player or substitute shall hinder an opponent, touch the ball, influence the play or otherwise participate. I think you are giving him the benefit of the doubt in the first place if you allow him to get to the sideline and not have IS, when he is still on the field at the snap, especially if he made a half-hearted attempt to get off. I say that he influences the play by being on the field, near the ball
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Tue Sep 26, 2006, 12:46pm
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But the penalty is not called Illegal Having An Affect On The Play. It's called Illegal Participation. And if there is ANY chance that this player affected ANY PART of the play, then he has participated in that play, thus Illegal participation.
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