field goal or try
 

does the entire ball have to be inside of the inner plane of the upright on a try or field goal, Obviously, this would occur when the kick is ABOVE the uprights. Some of the crew says that only a portion of the ball must be inside the inner plane, one says more has to be in than out, I say the entire ball has to be in,,, none of us know for sure.

Your interpretation is correct. The entire ball must be inside the uprights extended.

NCAA and NF are the same for this. The entire ball must be inside the goalpost extended on a play where during FG attempt is above the upright.

And let's be honest -- you could call this EITHER way :)

As with most of what we do, it's a judgement call. :D

I hope not Rich. If you see the ball go "over" the upright, you'd better call it no good.

Imagine the upright extending indefinitely up. A ball that is not entirely inside it will hit it and not make it over the horizontal bar. Imagine that a ball that is over the upright would hit the upright.

If I'm the R and working 4-man, I'd call it good every single time.

If you a 4-man R why are you calling it good? Why are you looking at it?

Because the R has the uprights and the Line Judge takes the cross bar in a 4 man

Furthermore, an R in a 4-man game doesn't have the proper view to be able to call it good/no good if a curving kick appears to pass over the upright. So the chances of it being called good are if you will, pretty good.
Depth perception issues are going to prevent that, especially at night.

By the book, as asked in the original question the TRY or FG is no good and should be called as such if officials are positioned under the uprights.

Agreed. But my original point wasn't to ignore the rules -- it was to point out that it's not an easy call even positioned under the uprights. The chance of the officials calling it good, even under the uprights, is greater than zero, I think.

By the book.

LJ positions at the depth of the crossbar and gives a thumbs up or down (LJ is well wide of the uprights\, not under), R calls the uprights, and (most importantly) the L watches for roughing the holder/kicker. U works his normal spot and watches for roughing the snapper.

Agreed that if you are in that situation, you call it good if in doubt.

I haven't worked 4-man all season. We take 5 and split 4 checks for some FR/JV games and some schools will actually pay for 5.

This Thursday I'll work 4 for 2 games and probably have to WH both of them since my crew's backup can't work. I'll have to force myself to remember to watch the kick and not the holder/kicker.

Must be the NF Mechanics Manual. We don't use it.

Thanks for the explanation.

How else would you handle a try in 4-man?

We have the LJ under one pole, the U under the other, the HL on the Line and the R takes the kicker/holder.

Who watches for roughing the snapper?

Rich,

you are really lucky in your area, all of my JV/FR games this season except for two are three man games...I have no five man games this season outside of Pop Warner where almost all games are five man (man that league has too much money, so we are only too happy to take it from them)

Joe

The U, just like he's supposed to.

OK, but he's off the field, about 15 yards from the LOS. It's hard to be visible and preventive and clean up the line play afterwards from under an upright.

I'm not saying either way is wrong. I don't like abdicating the roughing responsibilities or like calling the uprights myself (it's like calling balls and strike from behind the mound) and I'm trying to decide whether to use this on Thursday when I actually have to work 4-man.

I'm not saying either way is right or wrong. We all have to do what our group tells us. It's interesting to see what other people do.

That mechanic has worked for us for ~20 years. For whatever reason, we don't have a problem with roughing. Our Varsity coaches adapted after the roughing the C rule was put in. I have seen no one head-up on the C in years.

I U'd a 4-man game on Saturday and it felt right to get to pole calls right. The R and H clean up the line play.

BTW, in 5-man we have the BJ on one pole and the U on the other if the ball is snapped inside the 10. That way the H and L can stay on the line.

Again, not saying it's right or wrong, it's our mechanic.

36 yard Florida FG attempt (vs. Alabama) appeared to pass directly over the uprights.
Kicker thought is was good from his angle... NOT.
BJ ruled it no good as expected too.

In AZ, on a 4 man crew the LJ has the hook pole and the cross bar. The R has the other pole.

The ball must be inside of the uprights. Any portion of the ball on or outside of the uprights is "no-good"
Make the tough call.