Play in a Scrimmage Game

[stripes1977]

Just want to see how some of you might have handled this:

I am working as head linesman on the short side of the field. The play goes up the middle, a run. A receiver is blocking a defensive player away from the play and the defensive player's jersey becomes untucked. He starts to backpedal to get away and the receiver (in my mind) basically had his hands caught in the jersey. By now the jersey is nearly over the head of the defensive player, who finally falls down. He's obviously embarassed b/c he was driven out of the play with ease and now his shirt is over his head. He gets up and smacks the receiver in the helmet. Of course I flag it, push them apart, and the defensive player is ejected (thank God it was the last play of the scrimmage).

What made this play wierd was the untucked shirt and the fact that the receiver just kept on blocking the opponent (as I think he should) with his hands in the jersey. Is there anything that the receiver did that would be illegal?? He didn't purposely pull the guy's jersey up, but once that happened, would he be allowed to block with his hands "tangled" in the jersey? Basically I was able to see the whole act, and I am trying to see if there was anything the receiver did that I should have flagged, or if the defensive player was just a hothead.

[BktBallRef]

I vote for "hothead."

Did you send in an ejection report to the state? The defender will be suspended for the opening game.

[zebraman55]

You say you were working a scrimmage. Was it a scrimmage of players from the same team? If so, would we want to report the ejection to the state or let the coaches handle it? I would be leery of sending an ejection report to the state if the A and B player were from the same team, playing in a team scrimmage.

As for the receiver, if you could tell that he was not holding the defensive player, then what could he possibly have done wrong? based on your details, you got the right man! hothead!

zeb

[BktBallRef]

I would imagine that the scrimmage involved two different teams. In NC, we're required to work three scrimmages in order to qualify for all possible points. Intrasquad scrimmages with officials are very, very rare.

[stripes1977]

In this situation I didn't send in an ejection report. I thought about that afterwards. It was the last play of the scrimmage, and I told him to get off the field as I got between them. Hindsight told me that I probably could have ejected him formally and then sent the ejection report, etc. But common sense told me since it was all over and it was only a scrimmage, to let it go. I did tell him and the coach that if it was two weeks from then (regular season) that he wouldn't be playing next week. He calmed down pretty quickly and I didn't see any sense to make it a worse situation. A lot of more experienced officials than I am saw the play, and none of them said I should have ejected him (in this situation).

[stripes1977]

And yes, it was two different teams. Garner and Broughton. The "bad" guy was from Garner.

[zebraman55]

Wow! Neat idea in NC!

And, officials have to work them for points? Points toward what?

Do the officials actually look forward to working them? Or, do they see them as a hated necessity?

Also, what parts of the game does the scrimmage consist of? Clock? kicking game? Shortened periods? What levels count for points?

In Illinois, schools scrimmage, but only amongst themselves. Usually, it is centered around Fall Sports Night, where the teams do their practicing and families can come out and watch. Then, usually, the booster club has a cook out afterward. Officials will receive a small stipend, but generally not a full fee. These are controlled scrimmages, with no kicking game, no clock - just the coaches agenda for what he wants to see. This is generally XX plays with number one offnse, XX plays with Number one defense and so on.

zeb

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by stripes1977
In this situation I didn't send in an ejection report. I thought about that afterwards. It was the last play of the scrimmage, and I told him to get off the field as I got between them. Hindsight told me that I probably could have ejected him formally and then sent the ejection report, etc. But common sense told me since it was all over and it was only a scrimmage, to let it go. I did tell him and the coach that if it was two weeks from then (regular season) that he wouldn't be playing next week. He calmed down pretty quickly and I didn't see any sense to make it a worse situation. A lot of more experienced officials than I am saw the play, and none of them said I should have ejected him (in this situation).

I was just going by your original post, in which you said you ejected him.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by zebraman55
Wow! Neat idea in NC!

And, officials have to work them for points? Points toward what?

We have a points system that determines whether an official is a Class 1, 2, 3, or 4.

Do the officials actually look forward to working them? Or, do they see them as a hated necessity?

I thnik most officials look forward to them since it's an opportunity to get on the filed.

Also, what parts of the game does the scrimmage consist of? Clock? kicking game? Shortened periods? What levels count for points?

No, clock, kicking game, chains, periods, or points. Usually one team will run 10 plays, then the other team will run 10 plays. They'll do this for about an hour or so, then they'll run regular downs with the officials having a vague idea of when a 1st down is achieved.

In Illinois, schools scrimmage, but only amongst themselves. Usually, it is centered around Fall Sports Night, where the teams do their practicing and families can come out and watch. Then, usually, the booster club has a cook out afterward. Officials will receive a small stipend, but generally not a full fee. These are controlled scrimmages, with no kicking game, no clock - just the coaches agenda for what he wants to see. This is generally XX plays with number one offnse, XX plays with Number one defense and so on.

Sounds similiar. You just need to add another team.

[williebfree]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Sounds similiar. You just need to add another team. [/B]

Why? This way the coach can guarantee a win!