It should have been reviewed and probably overturned. That was huge! Ball on 8 yard line, or TD.

Ah, who knows? I thought the ball was also passed forward but couldn't tell 100% for sure with the one angle they showed on replay. Did you notice whether it was or not? Not that it matters because it would have been a dead ball as you stated.

Could any of you NCAA boys tell us when the replay officials are required to buzz the on field officials. What else do they need to see to stop the game? The earlier post about Texas' knee was down was obvious, then later a very close non-interception by Texas. Thanks.

I agree, replay, no TD, knee was down.

How close was that to being a illegal forward pass by Young?

[Edited by irefky on Jan 4th, 2006 at 10:32 PM]

Not nearly as illegal as the one Bush threw.

Problem is when these "backwards" passes occur in the middle of a long run, it's almost impossible for an offiical to be in position to make that call.

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Pretty sure it was a forward pass but if he was down, then its not a foul. What a sticky wicket

My initial reaction at full speed was that the pass was slightly forward. Of course, at full speed I did not see the knee down either.

I don't like the review system, they need to change it to coach's challenge so this problem is solved. JMO.

According to KJ, they were having equipment problems.

That's why there shouldn't be replay. Its going to miss as many as it corrects, one way or another.

I was telling a person I was watching it with that if there were less officials they may actually have got it. the HL had to stop around the 8, he was focused on the runner (angle was blocked by lineman), LJ was on the Goal line mainly focusing on it and got straightlined. If there was only one ref on the side he may have been more upfield and had a better angle. Thats funny! thing about coach's challenge, USC could have easily called a TO and it would have let them review it (they sure didn't use them well in the game anyway!)
Well, I had no vested interest in the game and saw a great great game, one for the ages!

PS I like that they finnally showed a call under review at real speed (that would help out a lot for some of the announcers) "Wow, when you slow it down it looks like he has it longer than he did real speed" lol

We were all laughing at a dinner party I held and we missed the live play. Seeing the knee down in slo-mo, I gasped why it wasn't reviewed. I hope this play helps bring in coach's challenges to the NCAA.

was the dinner party in the replay booth? That was mean and not typical of me but I had to, bad day.

I agree, coaches challenge would be better and I am sure NCAA will do this.

Texas did a good job (as an official, I hate that this is a strategy now... but it is what it is) hurrying up and kicking the PAT. I think their hurrying A) gave us the TD we might not have deserved and B) caused this missed PAT which may have been a problem later.

Think Mack's going to go recruit a decent kicker now?

On the Bush lateral/fumble in the first half...could that have been reviewed to determine if it was a backward pass (as ruled) or an illegal forward pass? If it was an IFP, ball would be dead once incomplete, and USC would have kept the ball upon penalty enforcement.

REPLY: If anyone has the tape, look at the Bush backward pass/fumble again. I believe that as he was letting the ball go it 'ticked' off of a Texas player's helmet and moved ever so slightly forward as a result.

We can go on and on about how Texas got away with a freebie, but I'll admit at full speed I thought that was a bang bang play on Youngs backwards pass. Certainly too close to call him down on the field. But that play had no bearing on the outcome of the game. As good as Young was playing, Texas would have likely scored on the next play anyways. Besides that USC overcame that and drove the field on their next possesion. As we all look at this game we can point out other things that were missed. I thought Bush should have been called for his high stepping into the end zone. That timeout USC called on the 2pt conversion and the fumbles that UT had were way more costly than any errors the officials made. Champions overcome any errors that officials make.

Ok Bob, so if he had just let it go, and it was BW, and then it hits a helmet and goes FW, we are fine cuz the ball left his hand with an initial BW directions. I would assume that if he trying to toss it BW's but his hand gets hit so when he releases it, the ball goes FW, that we would have an IFP. Would you guys agree with that?

I haven't seen the game in it's entirety yet, but will check it out sometime in the next couple days and get back to ya.

Not comfortable with your terminology of using "initial BW direction".

What matters is the spot where passer let the ball go and its relation to where it first touches "anything" beyond that spot. Translate "anything" to mean any other player, the ground, official, etc... anything.

If the ball has stuck an opposing team player in the helmet, what matters then is was that point in front of the spot where the ball was released. If it was in front, no matter what direction the ball ricochets is not relevant as the pass is by definition a forward pass.

The play was not reviewed because there was an equipment malfunction and they were unable to correct it before Texas kicked the PAT.

Report: Faulty monitor prevented key review

PASADENA, Calif. - The first touchdown scored by the Texas Longhorns in Wednesday's Rose Bowl was not reviewed reportedly because of a malfunctioning monitor that prevented the replay crew from seeing the necessary angles to stop play.

According to USA TODAY, Dave Parry, the national coordinator for NCAA football officiating, said a problem with one of the monitors temporarily limited the replay officials to the same image shown on the screen beyond one of the end zones.

Texas quarterback Vince Young appeared to have a knee touch the ground before he lateraled by tailback Selvin Young for a 12-yard touchdown run to give Texas a 9-7 lead over USC with 4:57 to go in the second quarter.

"They didn't get the time to see the views ABC provided," Parry told USA TODAY at halftime. "It should have been reviewed."

The Texas-USC game was the first Bowl Championship Series title game to use replay.

Parry told USA TODAY the malfunction compounded an already complex challenge for the replay crew on the touchdown play. He said there were three issues being examined: Whether Vince Young's lateral was forward, and therefore illegal; whether the ball was out of his hand before a knee touched the ground; and whether Selvin Young stepped out of bounds.

Texas was able to snap the ball for the conversion attempt before the replay crew was able to stop the game.