I read a statement in this month's version of referee that the Fed has changed the rule slightly on DQ'd head coaches. It states that an assistant can no longer be designated as the HC and therefore any future TO's need to be called by a player. Is this in another thread? Either way, what have you heard in your interp meetings? My first meeting isn't until the 23rd.

At our interp meeting (Missouri) they confirmed that the asst coaches cannot call a TO after the head coach has been tossed.

That's correct, there is a case play with this ruling, I will try and find it.

EDIT: 3.5.2 Situation B

[Edited by Snake~eyes on Aug 15th, 2005 at 01:45 PM]

At an Iowa rules meeting Saturday it was stated that a designated head coach (after the head coach is ejected) can call a time out.
The Nebraska rules meeting last week - stated just the opposite - the designated coach (replacing the ejected head coach) can't call a time out.

Situation B play d) covers it pretty well ...the game cannot continue until a responsible person is assigned as the “new” head coach, but this person shall not be permitted to request a time-out.

The funny thing in my mind is that they specified this at our rules meeting this year that it was legal last year but I seem to remember them saying last year that we weren't supposed to let the replacement head coach call timeouts.

REPLY: What makes the problem bigger than it should be is that there was an intentional change made to the 2005 case book (play 3.5.2B that Snake-eyes cited) but there was no mention whatsoever of this as either a Rules Change or and Editorial Change. Next question is whether or not 'other' head coach privileges will be withdrawn from the newly designated head coach, e.g. the privilege of a coach/referee conference on a potential misapplication of a rule.

I'd allow the 'new' head coach all of the privileges of the original head coach unless specifically disallowed by rule. In this case he can't call a TO but has the right to a coach/referee conference.

REPLY: I agree Walt. I sort of said that with my tongue embedded firmly in my cheek.

timeouts
 

it clearly states that the head coach can call timeouts. I know about the case book play 3.5.2. But if you think about this why would you penalize a team for having the head coach ejected. I would recogize the new designated coach as the head coach and allow him/her to call time outs per the rule book.

Re: timeouts
 

If you did so you'd be violating Case Book 3.5.2B, which clearly states that the new head coach cannot call a time out when the original head coach is disqualified.

case book
 

With all the errors in the case book one more would not suprise me. This is the case book not the rule book.

Case book vs. Rule book
 

As a brand new official I find it interesting that the case book would give a situation that does not seem to have a direct correlation back to the Rule book.

You find it intesting, we veterans find it incredibly annoying and so will you! So, be careful what you read and check the fed site for changes. If you get confused and something doesn't look correct please don't hesitate to put a question on this board. There are some very knowledgable officials on this board who will be very willing to answer your questions so use this as a valuable resource.

And, the very best of luck to you!

Keep in mind this applies as well if the HC is up in the box as well. Then a player will need to call the TO.

WM

Re: timeouts
 

I have read this and thought about it. If a HC gets ejected then that is just another penalty. I don't really get your statement, if a HC is ejected and the team looses its oppurtunity to call timeout from the sideline then tough luck.

Re: case book
 

Remember, the case book is an extension of the rule book. Although something might not be directly stated in the rule book, if there is an interpretation in the case book that states something, you probably want to follow what the CB says. An example that comes to mind is face guarding. This was in the case book for years but never directly stated in the rule book until this year.

Yes, it is annoying that this happens but until the NFHS changes their editorial process, I think we will have to accept this and keep discussing these errors so we all know what is the right call/interpretation.

For a list of CB and RB errors this year, check out my site. I've included a link to the NFHS site where they list all the errors and mistakes.

HC Ejection TO's
 

Snake
eyes got it right. It's just another penalty; the application of the law of unintended outcomes governs the conduct of the offending party.
There is no further opportunity for reward post ejectment; that is the intent of a penalty for a gratuitous foul..

The federation has stated three times - Case Book, NFHS Website, and the NFHS Rules Interpreters meeting in July, that if the HC is ejected the "New" head coach can not call a time out. How much clearer can they get.

THE NFHS writes the rules and provides the interpretations. If some of you can not understand this process and/or elect to blantently disregard any rule because you <i>"thought it out and it doesn't make sense"</i> you are 110% wrong.

If you wish to change a rule submit your proposal in writing via your state office. They have the forms.

There are procedures for making changes and none of them include, <i>"I thought about it and it doesn't make sense so I am changing it".</i>

-Nuff said

It appears the do not want the "new" head coach to be able to call time if the HC is ejected. The case book clearly states this and it is a clearly different ruling then the same situation in last years case book. They changed it and let no know about it with their ruels and interpetations changes.

Post Eject TO's
 

KWH is spot-on.
'Nuff said.
As his signature says - If you called, you saw it. And ... all of you saw it right here. It's black letter; it's in the Rule Book.

Cowboy:
You are correct in that it does not appear in the Rules Book as a change. I'm sure that was an oversight. It is however listed in the <b>Casebook 3.5.2 Situation B</b> and it is also covered on a slide on the <b>2005 NFHS Rules Changes Powerpoint</b> presentation which you should be presented as part of your state/association rule clinic.