Stump the Chump

[mikesears]

NFHS Responses

1. This is the only time a live ball foul can occur and the clock may not start. Can you name it?

2. Name three events that are fouls where you have a choice of distance penalties.

3. List the times when Team A can request where they want the ball positioned between the hashes.

4. Name a circumstance where the ball is free kicked from some other place but the A-40 and no foul is involved in the movement of the ball.



Let's try this again.


NFHS Responses

1. Other than during a try, this is the only time a live ball foul can occur and the clock will not start. Can you name it?

2. Name three events that are fouls where you have a choice of distance penalties.

3. List the times when Team A can request where they want the ball positioned between the hashes.

4. Name a circumstance where the ball is free kicked from some other place but the A-40 and no foul or a safety is involved in the movement of the ball

[Edited by mikesears on Jun 29th, 2005 at 09:40 AM]

[Mark Dexter]

4. Name a circumstance where the ball is not free kicked from the A-40 and no foul is involved in the movement of the ball.

I assume you mean a circumstance where the ball is free kicked, but not from the A-40? If so, a safety would apply (8-5-4), as the free kick is from the A-20.

[mikesears]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter

I assume you mean a circumstance where the ball is free kicked, but not from the A-40? If so, a safety would apply (8-5-4), as the free kick is from the A-20.

I edited my post. Thanks. My original post was confusing

[IAUMP]

1. During a try.

3. For a try, a freekick, or an awarded freekick.

4. Safety.

[regas14]

I'm a rookie so go easy on me, but how about these:

1) During an untimed down at the end of a period.

2) I got nothing on this one!

3) a. A try, b. a free kick, c. following a penalty resulting in the replay of a try or free kick.

4) After a fair catch or awarded fair catch when the receiving team chooses to put the ball in play by free kick rather than snap.

[Bob M.]

REPLY:

1. During a free kick, prior to the ball being legally touched.

2. Hmmm...let me think about this one.

3. (a) Try, (b) down following TB, (c) down following fair catch or awarded fair catch, (d) free kicks, (e) replays of those downs

4. Free kick following a fair catch or awarded fair catch (Fed only)

[mikesears]

For #2, 3 fouls can have two different distances associated with them. I didn't phrase the question very well so here is a hint:

Think personal foul vs inadvertent foul for two of the three. For the third one, think intentional vs "accidental".

[Topshelf]

2. Face mask, roughing/running into the kicker

4. During an emergency, such as standing water on K's free kick line.

[ljudge]

For #3 I have them committed to memory.

1) Free kick
2) Try
3) Safety
4) Touchback
5) Fair Catch
6) Awarded fair catch
7) Start of an overtime series

And on a replay of any of the above.

On 5 and 6 team A can choose between a snap and free kick to put the ball in play (and on replays of 5 & 6)

[Bob M.]

REPLY: Mike, now I understand the question about fouls with multiple yardage penalties. I get it. One thing I was waiting for people to mention is free kick OOB. Even though the kickers can be forced to rekick with a 5-yard penalty, or the receivers can take the ball 25 yards in advance of K's free kick line, the latter is not technically an award of penalty yardage. It's simply a pre-determined succeeding spot. And remember...the half-the-distance rule doesn't apply to that option either.

Joe, what did you mean in your answer by "3) Safety?" I'm assuming you meant 'Free Kick following a Safety.' Right?? Which would be included in number 1).

[PSU213]

Originally posted by Topshelf
2. Face mask, roughing/running into the kicker

4. During an emergency, such as standing water on K's free kick line.

For #2 I believe another one would be pass interference. Intentional PI carries an additional 15 yards.

As for #4, you beat me to it (Rule is 6-1-2).

[Edited by PSU213 on Jun 29th, 2005 at 05:34 PM]

[MJT]

Ok, now that I understand the question for #2 it makes sense.

So do we have 4? KOOB's, FM 5yd or 15, roughing/running into kicker, and DPI - and an extra 15 for intentional.

Are those what you were looking for Mike?

[kdf5]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by PSU213
[B]

Originally posted by Topshelf


For #2 I believe another one would be pass interference. Intentional PI carries an additional 15 yards.

[Edited by PSU213 on Jun 29th, 2005 at 05:34 PM]

I don't mean to be picky here but the additional 15 yds for an intentional PI is signalled as an USC, if I remember right, and it's really not a choice to be enforced or not, it's enforced if the covering official says it was intentional. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[MJT]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kdf5
[B]

Originally posted by PSU213

I don't mean to be picky here but the additional 15 yds for an intentional PI is signalled as an USC, if I remember right, and it's really not a choice to be enforced or not, it's enforced if the covering official says it was intentional. Correct me if I'm wrong.

According to the rule book, the extra 15 yards for intentional DPI is signal 27, which is USC. Now I don't quite understand that one, cuz USC is a non contact foul, so I agree it should be signal 38 which is PF, but for some reason that is not the signal given in the book.

That being said, has ANYONE ever called it, or even seen it????

[Snake~eyes]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MJT
[B]

Originally posted by kdf5

According to the rule book, the extra 15 yards for intentional DPI is signal 27, which is USC. Now I don't quite understand that one, cuz USC is a non contact foul, so I agree it should be signal 38 which is PF, but for some reason that is not the signal given in the book.

That being said, has ANYONE ever called it, or even seen it????

MJT,

think about it, it must be a USC, if it were a personal foul then we couldn't mark it off anyways. Also the second argument that could be made is that the USC is for the intent while the PI is for the contact.

That's my reasoning atleast.