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ABoselli Tue May 17, 2005 01:06pm

From what I recall, the rolling fists signal has been eradicated from the fed signals.

What will now be the signal for illegal formation and false start?

Bob M. Tue May 17, 2005 01:52pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ABoselli
From what I recall, the rolling fists signal has been eradicated from the fed signals.

What will now be the signal for illegal formation and false start?

REPLY: I think you might have misread it AB...all that's happening is that the reference to an "illegal procedure" foul has been removed from signal 19 and from NF 7-2 PENALTY for articles 1,2, and 3. The signal is still going to be there and we'll still use it for the fouls you mentioned.

Theisey Tue May 17, 2005 02:21pm

Going play havoc with the old timer refs who yell out the words "Pro seed dee ure" for every foul S19 was used for.

ABoselli Tue May 17, 2005 02:26pm

The signal is still going to be there and we'll still use it for the fouls you mentioned.

Phew. That baby is also my backup for every signal that (momentarily) slips my mind.

Dommer1 Wed May 18, 2005 05:32am

Looks like they are following in the footsteps of the NCAA, whcih did away with "illegal procedure" many years ago, and rightly so. Illegal procedure could be any number of things, and didn't really tell you what the foul was. This is an improvement.

ABoselli Wed May 18, 2005 10:07am

The PA announcer will still announce "illegal procedure" when you make the signal after a 6 men on the line call.

Oh well.

JPF Wed May 18, 2005 10:27am

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Originally posted by ABoselli
The PA announcer will still announce "illegal procedure" when you make the signal after a 6 men on the line call.

Oh well.

You're right, ABoselli; they will. But since we're giving them a signal that can mean a number of different things, they really have no way to know why the flag was thrown -- unless it was really obvious in the first place.

The important thing is to make sure your wings know what the call was so they can explain it to the coaches.

ABoselli Wed May 18, 2005 11:35am

They normally can hear me because I'll say the foul when I signal. Maybe the visitors might need an update as my back is to them and if we're on the far hash, it might not carry.

Then you'll get, "Who wasn't on??"

cowbyfan1 Thu May 19, 2005 04:49am

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Originally posted by ABoselli


Then you'll get, "Who wasn't on??"

No idea coach, let me have your play book and I'll try to figure that out with the opposing coach. 8-)

Forksref Thu May 19, 2005 05:01pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ABoselli
The PA announcer will still announce "illegal procedure" when you make the signal after a 6 men on the line call.

Oh well.


And for about 90% of the fouls that we call.

PSU213 Fri May 20, 2005 04:43am

Quote:

Originally posted by ABoselli
The PA announcer will still announce "illegal procedure" when you make the signal after a 6 men on the line call.

Oh well.

I still hear PA announcers (not to mention TV announcers) in college games say "illegal procedure" for all "rolling fists" calls.

Theisey Fri May 20, 2005 07:10am

...and you probably will hear them for years to come. But what you won't hear is a collegiate Referee saying those words mic'd or not.
They verbalize the specific words for the foul while rolling the fists as they are instructed to do.

Tom.OH Sat May 21, 2005 02:37pm

I was the R in Jr High game last year, we had a flag for only 6 on the line. After I signaled (S19) and moved back into position one of the guards asked me "who moved?".


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