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1-10 at the A20. Eligible receiver A1 is running up the sideline when he voluntarily goes OOBs at team As 33. A legal forward pass is thrown in his direction and he leaps while OOBs at As 34 and is airborne over inbounds territory at As 36 when he bats the ball backwards to eligible receiver A2 at As 32. A1 returns to the ground inbounds As 37. A2 makes the catch and runs for a TD.
State NF or NCAA, as they are different. |
Canadian Ruling
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10 yards from point of last scrimmage, down repeated. |
I don't have books handy but I believe the Fed ruling would also be illegal participation with a 10 yard penalty from the spot of the batting.
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(1) What kind of play was in progress when the foul occurred? (2) What is the basic spot of enforcement for that type of play? (3)How does the 'all-but-one' principle fit into the enforcement? |
Bob,
Not long after I posted my original reply, I realized that I had messed up the enforcement. Unfortunately, I have been too busy at work to correct my original post. So here is the correct. Illegal Participation on a loose ball play. Enforce 10 yard penalty from previous spot, and replay down. Obviously the touchdown will not be awarded. Thanks, |
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The enforcement for IP is 15 yards (typically). Since the play was from A20 it's 1/2 the distance penalty. Enforcement spot is previous spot, replay the down. |
I'm not so sure about your ruling on this one. I'm open to being called an idiot on this one, but........
It is an incomplete pass - no foul on the play (Federation rules). He jumped from OOB, so he was still OOB when he touched the ball. The touching makes the ball dead (ball touching a player who is OOB). It's the same as if he would have caught the ball OOB. He never returned to the field, so there is no illegal participation. A player eligible at the start of a down is elegible through the entire down, so it's not pass interference. Everything that follows the touching is ignored, since the play ended when the ball was touched. |
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Thanks Bob, I'll do some research on this at home tonight. I recall reading a case play similar to this, probably in Referee Magazine, last football season. I might have saved it because I know my crew talked about it during a pre-game session. And thanks for not calling me an idiot! :)
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One minor point. After enforcing penalty clock will start on snap. NF
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I must still have my basketball brain installed. I did some research last night and agree with the original ruling. Just another minor point, the mechanic is to drop a beanbag (not your hat) at the point the player went OOB, and a flag at the spot where he returns.
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