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You both keep quoting a rule that says if the ball hits the pylon, it's out of bounds in the endzone when it hits the pylon. Great. So what? It was already out of bounds

No, I said it was OB behind the goal line. To get behind the goal line, it had to cross the goal line. If it crossed the goal line, it's a TD.

You and I know you never would spot a ball .0000001 inches from the goal line. It's just not done - at least I've never seen it done by anyone. If you want to be the guy who explains to a coach or another official that, even though the ball hit the pylon, it hit the wrong side of the pylon, hence it is not a TD, but rather we will be spotting the ball within a micron on the goal line, go ahead.

I'm at a loss to see that an official, one who seems to have a solid grasp of the rules, also subscribes to this line of reasoning. At every level, if you get the pylon, you're in - no matter what side of the pylon you get. The NFL is even more liberal, but Fed and NCAA are clear on this. If the ball passes even over the top of the pylon, the NCAA book says it's in - no matter what part of the pylon (which is properly placed OB at the intersection of the goal line and sideline) it passes over - outside, inside, whatever.

You and I will have to disagree. If there is word from a higher authority that says I am wrong - Jerry Diehl or Dave Parry, I'm ready to say I am wrong.

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Originally posted by Bob M.

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Originally posted by ABoselli
I'm with Theisey. The ball hits the pylon, while being held by a player touching inbounds or airborn when last touching inbounds, it's a score.

If it touches the outside of the pylon, where are you placing it? At the .0000001 inch line where is supposedly went OB? That's why it is ruled a TD - you can't place it there.

NCAA 4-2-b. - A ball that touches a pylon is out of bounds behind the goal line.

There's nothing in there about what part of the pylon got touched. There's nothing in there about goal line extended. Just OB behind the goal line. If it got behind the goal line before it was OB, that's a TD.

This try was good.

REPLY: I agree also. The Federation rule is almost identical to the NCAA rule.

I'm sorry if I'm off base here or if I'm flogging a dead horse so please forgive me. Let's remove the pylon from the field. Let's look at the S & I, page 28. If a player is touching inbounds and reaches over the goal line extended it's a score, right?

Is that 16 square inches the pylon sits on (4" sideline x 4 " goalline) out of bounds or part of the goal line extended when a player, inbounds, reaches over it with the ball?

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Originally posted by kdf5

I'm sorry if I'm off base here or if I'm flogging a dead horse so please forgive me. Let's remove the pylon from the field. Let's look at the S & I, page 28. If a player is touching inbounds and reaches over the goal line extended it's a score, right?

Is that 16 square inches the pylon sits on (4" sideline x 4 " goalline) out of bounds or part of the goal line extended when a player, inbounds, reaches over it with the ball?

Technically only the front edge is on the goal line extended- which is actually a plane (go figure).