Rulebook rarities?

[cdnRef]

Nice..... Canadian rules?

Nope - Federation rules. Field goal can be scored from free kick after a fair catch or awarded fair catch. 8-4-1(a)

It was a team from Washington State that came up who did this. Even though we play federation ball at the highschool level here most coaches wouldn't think of doing something like that so, of course, the local coach blew a gasket. He had his rulebook out and was waving the stupid thing around like it was flag day. heh.


while I'm thinking about it

(to avoid having to read back through the thread - free kick after fair catch on opponent's 25 - clearly field goal attempt)

For you guys whose mechanics haven't been polluted by Canadian ball - what crew mechanics would you use on a 4 man crew? How about a five man crew? I wasn't on the game but if I recall correctly the WH was deep between the posts, U was on the goal line and they put the side guys in their regular spots.

[Edited by cdnRef on Dec 9th, 2004 at 01:39 PM]

[Jim S]

Doesn't surprise me, some of the coaches we have had come down to Seattle have been even worse on rules than someof ours.
BYW, recent survey shows only 56% of US citizens know the first phrase of the Star Spangled Banner, but only 37% of Canadians know the first phrase of Oh Canada....... it is of course "Oh Canada"

[Bob M.]

Originally posted by KWH
(snip)...Remember UC are always non-contact fouls,
while,
PF's are (almost*) always contact fouls

* the exceptions are is a swing and a miss, a kick and a miss, or a knee and a miss. While these acts did not actually involve contact, they are considered PF's

REPLY: And don't forget the old 'hiding-the-ball-under-your-jersey' and hurdling personal fouls.

[waltjp]

Originally posted by cdnRef

For you guys whose mechanics haven't been polluted by Canadian ball - what crew mechanics would you use on a 4 man crew? How about a five man crew? I wasn't on the game but if I recall correctly the WH was deep between the posts, U was on the goal line and they put the side guys in their regular spots.

I think you got it right. You'd like up like you would for a free kick with the exception being that the R has the uprights.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by cdnRef

Nope - Federation rules. Field goal can be scored from free kick after a fair catch or awarded fair catch. 8-4-1(a)

It was a team from Washington State that came up who did this. Even though we play federation ball at the highschool level here most coaches wouldn't think of doing something like that so, of course, the local coach blew a gasket. He had his rulebook out and was waving the stupid thing around like it was flag day. heh.


while I'm thinking about it

(to avoid having to read back through the thread - free kick after fair catch on opponent's 25 - clearly field goal attempt)

For you guys whose mechanics haven't been polluted by Canadian ball - what crew mechanics would you use on a 4 man crew? How about a five man crew? I wasn't on the game but if I recall correctly the WH was deep between the posts, U was on the goal line and they put the side guys in their regular spots.

[Edited by cdnRef on Dec 9th, 2004 at 01:39 PM]

It's a real shame that you seem to think that Canadian rules/mechanics, etc... the Canadian game pollutes people.

It's you that is missing out. I am sorry if you've had an experience otherwise.

[cdnRef]

It's you that is missing out. I am sorry if you've had an experience otherwise.

I don't think I'm missing anything Oh my poor tortured soul...misunderstood

Canadian rules and mechanics pollute one's ability to do NFHS rules and mechanics - the opposite is true as well (federation ball pollutes my Canadian applications).

4-man kickoff mechanics in Canadian put the referee at the kicking line and the umpire at the restraining line. American mechanics put the referee deeper than the umpire deep and have the line judge and the head linesman (wingman and lineman) on the kicking and restraing line respectively. When I step out onto a field it takes a second to remember what I'm doing.

Blocking below the waist is allowed in Canadian ball but restricted outside the free blocking zone in NFHS ball - you have no idea how many low blocks I've let go in NFHS ball - and nasty ones that plainly should have been flagged.

Penalty application is some other kind of mess too with the all but one principle in American ball but the convoluted collection of rules and exceptions in Canadian ball.

OC (objectionable conduct) in Canadian is 10 yards, USC is 15...switch from one to the other in the same day and see how many illegal forward handing fouls get marched up 10 yards from the line of scrimmage.... (illegal forward handing and OC share the signal between American and Canadian ball).

The two games pollute each other from the official's point of view. It's hard to switch between the two. I had an inelgible downfield in the provincial JV final this year and I ended up signalling first touching ... the coaches and the rest of the crew didn't have the foggiest clue what I was doing ... this while in BC Place with the big screen on me. Now that I think of it, the inelgible touched the pass ... it should have been OPI and loss of down. Oh well, the right team won and I'm not going back to replay that one.

I appreciate each game on its merits and enjoy working both sports. I prefer the Canadian game, frankly, but this board is predominantly occupied by American officials and I have the single objective of making my American game better for the benefit of the kids.

As a final thought - I'm a better American official than a Canadian official. Why? I had to learn the American game. I grew up playing the Canadian game and so there are a lot of things I "think" I know about Canadian but end up having to relearn.

If I give the impression that I don't like the Canadian game or find one game inferior to another it's entirely unintentional. I have aspirations to be considered for pro ball (CFL, only one Canadian has ever gone as far as NCAA AFAIK) one day but along the way I've got a lot of learning to do. The experience of the officials on this board and the officials around us is the best learning tool that we have; however, when in Rome...do as the Romans. Where's my loincloth??

[MJT]

Originally posted by cdnRef

Nope - Federation rules. Field goal can be scored from free kick after a fair catch or awarded fair catch. 8-4-1(a)

It was a team from Washington State that came up who did this. Even though we play federation ball at the highschool level here most coaches wouldn't think of doing something like that so, of course, the local coach blew a gasket. He had his rulebook out and was waving the stupid thing around like it was flag day. heh.


while I'm thinking about it

(to avoid having to read back through the thread - free kick after fair catch on opponent's 25 - clearly field goal attempt)

For you guys whose mechanics haven't been polluted by Canadian ball - what crew mechanics would you use on a 4 man crew? How about a five man crew? I wasn't on the game but if I recall correctly the WH was deep between the posts, U was on the goal line and they put the side guys in their regular spots.

[Edited by cdnRef on Dec 9th, 2004 at 01:39 PM]

The NF mechanic is, R behind upright, U behind upright and he rules on crossbar, both decide if kick is good, and all other officials are same as KO.

[waltjp]

Right. I forgot to move the U under the crossbar.

[CaptStevenM]

With free kick after a fair catch, do you mean a drop kick? Where the player kicks the ball after is bounces once off the ground.

[MJT]

Originally posted by CaptStevenM
With free kick after a fair catch, do you mean a drop kick? Where the player kicks the ball after is bounces once off the ground.

Technically they could drop kick, but I don't think anyone would.
In case you are not really asking that, and do not understand a "free kick after fair catch" this is a difference between NF and NCAA. In NF after a FC rule 6-5-4 states "The captain may choose to free kick or snap anywhere between the inbounds line on the yard line through the spot of the FC is made or thru the spot of interference, when a FC is awarded. These choices remain if a DB foul coccurs prior to the down, or a foul or any IW occurs during the down and the down is repeated."