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timharris Wed Nov 03, 2004 01:53pm

hello

its 4th & 1 the pass goes down field the offensive player pushes off the defensive player to catch the pass, i know this is offensive pass interference but how do you apply this one?

tim

bigwes68 Wed Nov 03, 2004 02:00pm

Under NFHS rules, it is a 15-yard penalty against A and loss of down; B is awarded a new series after the enforcement.

James Neil Wed Nov 03, 2004 02:08pm

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Originally posted by bigwes68
Under NFHS rules, it is a 15-yard penalty against A and loss of down; B is awarded a new series after the enforcement.
Correct. loose ball play, 15 -yards from the previous spot offending coach going nuts when he see you march off 15 yards against his and give the ball to B

JugglingReferee Wed Nov 03, 2004 02:25pm

Canadian Ruling
 
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Originally posted by timharris
hello

its 4th & 1 the pass goes down field the offensive player pushes off the defensive player to catch the pass, i know this is offensive pass interference but how do you apply this one?

tim

We just penalize them yards. 15 from PLS, DR.

MJT Wed Nov 03, 2004 02:38pm

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Originally posted by James Neil
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Originally posted by bigwes68
Under NFHS rules, it is a 15-yard penalty against A and loss of down; B is awarded a new series after the enforcement.
Correct. loose ball play, 15 -yards from the previous spot offending coach going nuts when he see you march off 15 yards against his and give the ball to B

Ya, most coaches don't know it is LOD in NF. Pretty harsh, and as stated in previous posts, OPI may be called more if not LOD added to the 15.

PS2Man Wed Nov 03, 2004 07:04pm

Harsh for both sides.
 
I disagree.

You have a harsh penalty for the defense. Why not the offense?

Rich Wed Nov 03, 2004 08:59pm

Re: Harsh for both sides.
 
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Originally posted by PS2Man
I disagree.

You have a harsh penalty for the defense. Why not the offense?

Because it's unnecessarily punitive and doesn't compare with other offensive fouls -- the down repeats for fouls like holding and tripping, for example.

Also OPI doesn't carry a LOD in NCAA or NFL rules, so it just seems strange and something they neglected to change back when they removed the LOD part of the penalty from fouls like ineligible downfield.

Just my opinion, of course. And it's true -- I think OPI would be called more if the LOD wasn't part of the enforcement.

--Rich

PS2Man Wed Nov 03, 2004 09:18pm

I think you do not see it called as much because it is easier to call it on the defense. You do not see it called enough at the NCAA or NFL level either and you could argue that it happens often. Randy Moss and T.O. probably get away all the time with a little push every now and then.

Forksref Wed Nov 03, 2004 09:37pm

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Originally posted by MJT
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Originally posted by James Neil
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Originally posted by bigwes68
Under NFHS rules, it is a 15-yard penalty against A and loss of down; B is awarded a new series after the enforcement.
Correct. loose ball play, 15 -yards from the previous spot offending coach going nuts when he see you march off 15 yards against his and give the ball to B

Ya, most coaches don't know it is LOD in NF. Pretty harsh, and as stated in previous posts, OPI may be called more if not LOD added to the 15.

I've NEVER let the penalty affect my judgment.

Rich Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:49pm

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Originally posted by Forksref
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Originally posted by MJT
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Originally posted by James Neil
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Originally posted by bigwes68
Under NFHS rules, it is a 15-yard penalty against A and loss of down; B is awarded a new series after the enforcement.
Correct. loose ball play, 15 -yards from the previous spot offending coach going nuts when he see you march off 15 yards against his and give the ball to B

Ya, most coaches don't know it is LOD in NF. Pretty harsh, and as stated in previous posts, OPI may be called more if not LOD added to the 15.

I've NEVER let the penalty affect my judgment.

It has nothing to do with judgment. It has more to do with benefit of doubt and how much you give in a particular situation. And I think OPI benefit of doubt favors the receivers in all of football, but especially when a LOD would result.

Snake~eyes Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:14pm

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Originally posted by Forksref
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Originally posted by MJT
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Originally posted by James Neil
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Originally posted by bigwes68
Under NFHS rules, it is a 15-yard penalty against A and loss of down; B is awarded a new series after the enforcement.
Correct. loose ball play, 15 -yards from the previous spot offending coach going nuts when he see you march off 15 yards against his and give the ball to B

Ya, most coaches don't know it is LOD in NF. Pretty harsh, and as stated in previous posts, OPI may be called more if not LOD added to the 15.

I've NEVER let the penalty affect my judgment.

Same here, that does not cross my mind when I see another player intefering with an opponents oppurtunity to catch the ball.

tpaul Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:18pm

Same here, if a team commits a foul I call it. I don't think wow the LOD is going to hurt them.

I do agree the LOD is hard on the offensive team but it is the rules.




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