Normal scrimmage down. Intercepted by B1 in their own endzone. Ball is never advanced out, but B2 blocks in the back while B1 runs around in the endzone.

How do you enforce?

At work and no book... But, will take a shot and say that since the foul occured during a running play, and the basic spot would be the 20 yard line. The foul is enforced under the all-but-one principal. Therefore the spot of enforcement would be in the endzone and therefore a safety for Team A.

Safety by penalty.

Did the block in the back occur in the endzone? By the answers so far, the assumption is the foul occured in the EZ. However, if the foul occured at the 2, then the penalty would be enforced from there.

[Edited by Patton on Nov 1st, 2004 at 12:51 PM]

Yes, the BIB occured in the endzone. I personally believe it's a safety.

Got two friends--one of which has been doing this for years--says to enforce from the 20 and give B the ball at the 10. Can't find it in the case book. Appreciate rules refences and such.



[Edited by SouthGARef on Nov 1st, 2004 at 05:22 PM]

Basic spot is the EZ, folks. Even if the block is at the 2, if the end of the run is IN the EZ, you have a safety.

I have to disagree on this one. Rule 10-4-5(d)...The basic spot is the succeeding spot: When the final result is a touchback.

Casebook play 10.5.5 Situation A: B1 intercepts a pass in his own end zone and is tackled there after attempting to advance. During B1's run, B2 clips A1 at B's 4-yard line. Ruling: The basic enforcement spot is the 20-yard line. If the penalty is accepted it will be inforced from the spot of the foul, B's ball first and 10 from B's 2-yard line. If the penalty is declined, it is B's ball first and 10 from B's 20-yard line.

Have to agree with General Patton on this one also.

By rule the basic is the succeeding spot (B's 20 yard line) when the final result of the play is a touchback.

By rule, all fouls except one are enforced from the basic spot, and that is a foul by the offense behind the basic spot.

When B intercepts the pass, they become the offense at that time. (Side note: as officials, we need to always be aware of the status of the ball at the time of the foul: which team is possession, and whether it was loose or in player possession, and whether it was live or dead).

After the change of possession, where did the foul by B occur? If its in B's endzone, then its a safety, if its in the field of play behind B's 20 its a spot foul, and if its beyond B's 20 then enforce it from the basic spot (B's 20 yard line).

P.S. Also, who provided the force that put the ball into B's end zone? It was the pass by A, and the ball become dead there in B's possession. B never advanced the ball out of the endzone, therefore its a touchback...

[Edited by Mike Simonds on Nov 1st, 2004 at 02:57 PM]

REPLY: Patton is correct. The <u>basic</u> spot is the succeeding spot (B's 20). But the <u>enforcement</u> spot determined by the all-but-one principle is the spot of the foul (in B's endzone). Therefore, a safety results.

I'm with Bob M. here.

Basic spot is the succeeding spot. All-but-one says we enforce from the spot of the foul. If the enforcement is from behind their own goal line, safety.

The basic spot is not the EZ on this play. The offense put the ball into the EZ. (Ignore the foul for a second) Therefore if the run ends in the EZ (without B taking the ball out of the EZ) the basic spot is the 20 since the result of the play is a touchback.
Now you factor in the foul. Since the foul occurs behind the basic spot you enforce from the spot of the foul. In this case the EZ, thereby the safety.
In your case the basic spot would still be the 20, but the enforcement spot would be the 2. Ball 1st & 10 on the 1.

Wow... seems after reading this forum all season long and making it a habit to study the rule book, things are beginning to sink in and I'm retaining something.
That's a scary thought !!!

Canadian Ruling
 

Apply from the 20... Team B 1D/10 @ B-10.

The case book play you quoted says "the penalty in enforced from the spot of the foul". Since the spot of the foul is in the endzone, you have a safety. Actually the original post doesn't say where the penalty occurred but I believe by reading the post that the foul occurred in the EZ. Anyway, by enforcing from the spot of the foul, you are consistent, like Bob M said in enforcing per the all-but-one principle.

Gonna go with Patton. In principle, B never brought the ball into the endzone, thus a safety should not be considered. The 20-yd line touchback scenario makes sense. Thanks for the rule reference.